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Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks
From: Damian Menscher via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 15:56:19 -0700
On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 3:36 PM Amir Herzberg <amir.lists () gmail com> wrote:
Hmm, I doubt this is the output of TCP amplification since Jim reported it as SYN spoofing, i.e., SYN packets, not SYN-ACK packets (as for typical TCP amplification). Unless the given _hosts_ respond with multiple SYN-ACKs in which case these may be experiments by an attacker to measure if these IP:ports could be abused as TCP amplifiers.
Clarifying for those unfamiliar with this attack: - Attacker is sending SYN packets spoofed "from" NL to Jim (and others) - Jim (and others) have applications listening on those ports and respond with SYN-ACK packets to the victim in NL - When the victim (NL) fails to complete the handshake (which they didn't initiate!) Jim (and others) sends another SYN-ACK So they're not probing to see if Jim (and others) are abusable as TCP amplifiers... they've already determined they can be abused and are using those machines to conduct an actual attack against victims in NL. Damian On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 6:18 PM Damian Menscher via NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
wrote:On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 3:05 PM Jim Shankland <nanog () shankland org> wrote:I'm seeing slow-motion (a few per second, per IP/port pair) syn flood attacks ostensibly originating from 3 NL-based IP blocks: 88.208.0.0/18 , 5.11.80.0/21, and 78.140.128.0/18 ("ostensibly" because ... syn flood, and BCP 38 not yet fully adopted). Is anybody else seeing the same thing? Any thoughts on what's going on? Or should I just be ignoring this and getting on with the weekend?This appears to be a TCP amplification attack. Similar to UDP amplification (DNS, NTP, etc) you can get some amplification by sending a SYN packet with a spoofed source, and watching your victims receive multiple SYN-ACK retries. It's a fairly weak form of attack (as the amplification factor is small), but if the victim's gear is vulnerable to high packet rates it may be effective. The victim (or law enforcement) could identify the true source of the attack by asking transit providers to check their netflow to see where it enters their networks. Damian
Current thread:
- syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Jim Shankland (Aug 16)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Curtis, Bruce (Aug 16)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Matt Harris (Aug 16)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Jared Smith (Aug 16)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Troy Mursch (Aug 16)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Jared Smith (Aug 16)
- RE: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Emille Blanc (Aug 16)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Jim Shankland (Aug 16)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Töma Gavrichenkov (Aug 17)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Jim Shankland (Aug 16)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Damian Menscher via NANOG (Aug 17)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Amir Herzberg (Aug 17)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Damian Menscher via NANOG (Aug 17)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Amir Herzberg (Aug 17)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Amir Herzberg (Aug 17)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Jim Shankland (Aug 17)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Mike (Aug 17)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Amir Herzberg (Aug 18)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Mike (Aug 18)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Töma Gavrichenkov (Aug 19)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Damian Menscher via NANOG (Aug 18)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Töma Gavrichenkov (Aug 19)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Damian Menscher via NANOG (Aug 19)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Töma Gavrichenkov (Aug 19)
- Re: syn flood attacks from NL-based netblocks Amir Herzberg (Aug 18)