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Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)
From: "Valdis Klētnieks" <valdis.kletnieks () vt edu>
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:35:00 -0400
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:07:49 -0000, John Curran said:
But I suspect a lot of companies are reading it as: "If a spammer sues you for using a block list that prevents them from spamming your customers, you can't end up owing money to the block list maintainers. But if you rely on the ARIN TAL, and get sued by an address hijacker, you could end up owing money to ARIN".
It's is not "you owe money to ARIN", but it could be "you need to defend both yourself and ARIN from your customers litigation should you get it wrong."
Is there any workable way to remove or diminish the perception of liability in the case of using it *correctly*? I admit that (a) I'm not a lawyer and (b) when I actually tried to read it I couldn't actually tell if it was "you promise to defend us if you screw it up and customer traffic gets accidentally dropped on the floor" or "you promise to defend us if you use it correctly and miscreant traffic is intentionally dropped on the floor"... There's obviously a disconnect where people aren't worried about indemnifying Spamhaus for using their block list, but are worried about indemnifying ARIN for using the TAL.
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- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) John Curran (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Ronald F. Guilmette (Aug 13)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) John Curran (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Ronald F. Guilmette (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Matthew Petach (Aug 13)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) John Curran (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption Job Snijders (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) John Curran (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Rubens Kuhl (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 14)
- Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 14)
- RE: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17) Michel Py (Aug 15)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 Hank Nussbacher (Aug 13)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 Ronald F. Guilmette (Aug 14)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 Hank Nussbacher (Aug 14)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 John Curran (Aug 15)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 Christopher Morrow (Aug 15)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 Ross Tajvar (Aug 09)
- Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17 Ronald F. Guilmette (Aug 09)