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Re: modeling residential subscriber bandwidth demand


From: Paul Nash <paul () nashnetworks ca>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 10:07:27 -0400

I am also surprised.  However, we have had a total of 5 complaints about network speed over a 3 year period.  

One possible reason is that because they own the infrastructure collectively and pay for the bandwidth directly (I just 
manage everything for them), they are prepared to put up with the odd slowdown to avoid the expense of an upgrade. 

Our original plan was to start with the 100M circuit so that they could make sure that everything would work, that we 
had reliable wifi delivery (about 95% of users only use a wifi connection to their computers/iDevices/whatever), and 
then to upgrade to 1G as soon as the dust started settling.  They have postponed the upgrade for 3 years now, with no 
complaints.

I guess that if they will be directly impacted by higher bandwidth costs, some people can make do with slower service 
(or something).

        paul 

On Apr 3, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.steffl () mnwifi com> wrote:

Paul,

I have hard time seeing how you aren't maxing out that circuit. We see about 2.3 mbps average per customer at peak 
with a primarily residential user base. That would about 575 mbps average at peak for 250 users on our network so how 
do we use 575 but you say your users don't even top 100 mbps at peak? It doesn't make sense that our customers use 6 
times as much bandwidth at peak than yours do. 

We're a rural and small town mix in Minnesota, no urban areas in our coverage. 90% of our customers are on a plan 22 
mbps or less and the other 10% are on a 100 mbps plan but their average usage isn't really much higher.


Enterprise environments can easily handle many more users on a 100 meg circuit because they aren't typically 
streaming video like they would be at home. Residential will always be much higher usage per person than most 
enterprise users. 

On Wed, Apr 3, 2019, 2:46 AM Valdis Klētnieks <valdis.kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 23:53:06 -0700, Ben Cannon said:
A 100/100 enterprise connection can easily support hundreds of desktop users 
if not more.  It’s a lot of bandwidth even today.

And what happens when a significant fraction of those users fire up Netflix with
an HD stream?

We're discussing residential not corporate connections, I thought....



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