RE: optical circulator as a bidirectional one fiber solution

["Jameson, Daniel" <Daniel.Jameson () tdstelecom com>]

If we were talking 10G, adjacent channels,  add a TFFL filter it *Should* work.  100G isn’t just on-off at a high clock 
rate,  it’s also modulated  around the center frequency,  I don’t think it’d work even with a  wideband receiver.

From: Ben Cannon [mailto:ben () 6by7 net]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 4:24 PM
To: Jameson, Daniel
Cc: Eric Kuhnke; nanog () nanog org list
Subject: Re: optical circulator as a bidirectional one fiber solution

What about 100Ghz ITU spacing on the tx, are the rx optics broad enough to take the off-band input?
-Ben

On Aug 13, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Jameson, Daniel <Daniel.Jameson () tdstelecom com<mailto:Daniel.Jameson () tdstelecom 
com>> wrote:
You would still need to frequency shift TX and RX.  They are travelling opposite directions on the same piece of glass; 
 as the traffic rate increases the likelihood of collisions increases and you’ll start to get errors.  The collision 
would either cancel the ‘bit’ or act like OBI and get erroneous bits and checksum errors or missing chunks from the 
constellation.  There are BIDI 100G transceivers for Multi-mode available today based on the Foxconn optics, I’d 
imagine we’ll see BIDI for the O and C bands in the next 18 months.

From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:56 PM
To: ben () 6by7 net<mailto:ben () 6by7 net>; nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org> list
Subject: Re: optical circulator as a bidirectional one fiber solution

For 1 and 10Gbps OOK modulation yes, but not for something like a ITU DWDM grid channelized or tunable coherent optic. 
In which the (QPSK, 8PSK, 16QAM) signal has a specific THz width and frequency not unlike a radio operating in a very, 
very narrow waveguide.


On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 1:57 PM Ben Cannon <ben () 6by7 net<mailto:ben () 6by7 net>> wrote:
Good news about almost all optics, their Rx window is pretty wide. Meaning a 1550nm optic will activate the receiver on 
a 1560nm optic just fine (and probably anything in the 1500nm band).  Careful use of specialized single strand DWDM 
muxes (FS.com<http://FS.com>) can yield great bidi-like results with increased channel count.
-Ben

On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com<mailto:eric.kuhnke () gmail com>> wrote:
Something that is broadly the same as a coherent 100G QPSK single wavelength optical module, but in two different 
frequencies, and a passive CWDM mux/demux prism at each end might work. The limitation would be availability of optics 
for a modern 100G MSA that are both coherent and Tx/Rx at two different THz frequencies.

Or with some box and vendor equipment in between, such as:

http://cdn.extranet.coriant.com/resources/Application-Notes/AN_Groove_Bidirectional_Fiber_74C0169.pdf?mtime=20180206023321

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:00 PM Daniel Corbe <dcorbe () hammerfiber com<mailto:dcorbe () hammerfiber com>> wrote:
On 8/7/2018 15:46:03, "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl () gmail com<mailto:baldur.norddahl () gmail com>>
wrote:

> Hello
>
> There is a lack of bidirectional one fiber (BIDI) options for 40G and
> 100G optics. Usually BIDI is implemented using two CWDM wavelengths,
> one for tx and one for rx. However there is also a lack of CWDM and
> DWDM options for 40G and 100G.
>
> Would it be possible to use an optical circulator like this one
> (customized to 1310 nm)?
>
> https://www.fs.com/de/en/products/33364.html
>
> Combined with a traditional two fiber 1310 nm 10 km 40G QSFP module
> like this: https://www.fs.com/de/en/products/24422.html
>
> The link distance would be 5 km.
>
> The optical circulator separates tx and rx by the direction the light
> travels in. It would work even though both directions use the same
> wavelength. There will likely be some reflection but hopefully
> attenuated enough that it is regarded as background noise.
>
> Has anyone done this? Any reason it would not work?
>
> Regards,
>
> Baldur

The main issue you're going to run into (especially trying to plug
anything into a DWDM shelf) is 40G and 100G transceivers usually emit 4
lanes of traffic instead of a single lane like 10 and 1G optics do.

I'd imagine that's why there are so few solutions that don't involve
things like OTN.