Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing

[Stephen Fulton <sf () lists esoteric ca>]

TR,

MTS Allstream is no longer a combined entity.  MTS was purchased by Bell 
Canada and Allstream was purchased by Zayo.

-- Stephen

On 2017-08-08 8:19 PM, TR Shaw wrote:
> Bill,
>
> What does Bell buying MTS do? Does it change your statement or will the MTS portion of Bell still peer locally?
>
> Tom
>
> > On Aug 8, 2017, at 8:10 PM, Bill Woodcock <woody () pch net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Hiers, David <David.Hiers () cdk com> wrote:
> > > For traffic routing, is anyone constraining cross-border routing between Canada and the US?  IOW, if you are routing 
> > > from Toronto to Montreal, do you have to guarantee that the path cannot go through, say, Syracuse, New York?
> >
> > No.  In fact, Bell Canada / Bell Aliant and Telus guarantee that you _will_ go through Chicago, Seattle, New York, or 
> > Ashburn, since none of them peer anywhere in Canada at all.
> >
> > Last I checked (November of last year) the best-connected commercial networks (i.e. not CANARIE) in Canada were 
> > Hurricane Electric, MTS Allstream, Primus, and Zip Telecom, all of which peer at three or more Canadian IXes.  So, 
> > they’re capable of keeping traffic in Canada so long as the other end isn’t on Bell or Telus, which only sell U.S. 
> > bandwidth to Canadians.
> >
> > In November, only 27% of intra-Canadian routes stayed within Canada; 64% went through the U.S.  That’s way worse than 
> > five years ago, when 60% stayed within Canada, and 38% went through the U.S.
> >
> > As has been pointed out, Canada has been building IXPs…  Just not as fast as the rest of the world has.  They’re behind 
> > the global average growth rate, and behind the U.S. growth rate, which is why the problem is getting worse.  Bandwidth 
> > costs are falling faster elsewhere, so they’re importing more foreign bandwidth.
> >
> >                                 -Bill