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Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing?
From: "Will Hargrave" <will () harg net>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:56:36 +0100
On 15 Jun 2016, at 19:23, Sander Steffann wrote:
I think IXPs have indeed become too much like ISPs, providing more services but also increasing complexity and cost. I prefer simple, scalable and cheap solutions! I want to go to an IXP being a nice simple ethernet switch. Add some nice graphs and a route server, and we're done. Redundancy is a separate switch :)So here we are now... Where do we want to go?
(I spoke on this topic in the session - I regret insufficiently coherently, but I’ll try again)
Most of the major IXs in the European market operate in multiple datacentres. Why? Because it decreases the monopoly conferred upon one particular datacentre in a market which becomes the ‘go to’ location.
Dan Golding disagreed with me but I can certainly speak for LONAP where I feel our mission of “promoting efficient interconnection in the UK” is hugely enhanced by our ability to provide services in any of our current seven datacentres, across four different operators. London would not be the great city of interconnection it is without the east London cluster of DCs from different operators.
We have had a fair few single site IXs in London - e.g. the now defunct RBEIX, Sovex, Meriex. I don’t think it is a viable model for an IXP in a well-developed market.
Then there is another concern. What’s the plan for SIX if the Westin Building colo is sold to someone less benevolent and co-operative? I am really pleased their current arrangement seems to work well for SIX, its members and datacentre partners. I think our own members would be less comfortable with that level of risk.
Will
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- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing?, (continued)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Daniel Golding (Jun 17)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Rick Astley (Jun 30)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Job Witteman (Jun 20)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Randy Bush (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Mikael Abrahamsson (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Sander Steffann (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Randy Bush (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Mikael Abrahamsson (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Seth Mattinen (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Arnold Nipper (Jun 15)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Will Hargrave (Jun 16)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Daniel Golding (Jun 16)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Will Hargrave (Jun 17)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Leo Bicknell (Jun 17)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Marty Strong via NANOG (Jun 17)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Leo Bicknell (Jun 17)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Nick Hilliard (Jun 17)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Dave Temkin (Jun 17)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Thomas Mangin (Jun 20)
- Re: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Mark Tinka (Jun 20)
- AW: NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing? Jürgen Jaritsch (Jun 20)