Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed

[Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>]

Why? I use Mobile Hotspot… It’s part of the service I pay for. If Cameron can’t make that
work, then that’s T-Mobile’s problem, not mine.

Owen

> On Jun 8, 2016, at 1:25 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com> wrote:
>
> On 6/8/16 9:13 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > As of last week, I still wasn’t getting an IPv6 address by default on my iPhone 6S+
> > on T-Mobile.
>
> turn off mobile hotspot...
>
> > Just saying.
> >
> > Owen
> >
> > > On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Cryptographrix <cryptographrix () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Very true - I was being a bit extremist out of frustration, but I think
> > > > you're spot on - he.net tunnels and even 6to4 are toys to provide IPv6
> > > > support, not actually IPv6 support.
> > > >
> > > > And I'm quite frustrated because there's so little actual v6 support, and
> > > > I *do* actually need it on a daily basis for work.
> > > >
> > > > Because there's no actual ISP IPv6 support anywhere else (in parts of the
> > > > US that *have* multiple ISPs), you can't even make the case to your ISP
> > > > that it's a legitimate requirement for you because they know you're not
> > > > really going to get v6 elsewhere.
> > > I think we have different definitions of "no actual isp ipv6 support"
> > >
> > > Again, a helpful akamai blog
> > > https://blogs.akamai.com/2016/06/four-years-since-world-ipv6-launch-entering-the-mainstream.html
> > >
> > > fixed line: Comcast, AT&T, TWC, just to name the largest in the nation have
> > > meaningful deployments of ipv6. The only thing holding back greater
> > > deployment for those networks are legacy CPE that will age out slowly.
> > >
> > > All 4 of the national mobile operator have ipv6 default on for most
> > > new phone models.
> > >
> > > Yes, many gaps to fill still. But, on "my network" with shy of 70 million
> > > users, everything has ipv6 except the iPhone, and that will change RSN. And
> > > for users with v6, the majority of their traffic is ipv6 e2e since the
> > > whales (google, fb, netflix, increasingly Akamai) are dual stack.
> > >
> > > CB
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:22 AM Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com
> > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cb.list6 () gmail com');>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, Cryptographrix <cryptographrix () gmail com
> > > > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cryptographrix () gmail com');>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > As I said to Netflix's tech support - if they advocate for people to turn
> > > > > > off IPv6 on their end, maybe Netflix should stop supporting it on their
> > > > > > end.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's in the air whether it's just an HE tunnel issue or an IPv6 issue at
> > > > > > the moment, and if their tech support is telling people to turn off IPv6,
> > > > > > maybe they should just instead remove their AAAA records.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (or fail back to ipv4 when v6 looks like a tunnel)
> > > > > I think you need to reset your expectations of a free tunnel service.
> > > > >
> > > > > he.net tunnels are a toy for geeks looking to play with v6. In terms of
> > > > > Netflix subcriber base, it is amazing insignificant number of users.
> > > > >
> > > > > At the end of the day, anonymous tunnels, just like linux, are not
> > > > > supported by Netflix. And, he.net tunnel users are hurting ipv6 overall
> > > > > just like 6to4 by injecting FUD and other nonesense complexity.... For a
> > > > > toy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Move on to a real issue instead of beating this dead horse.
> > > > >
> > > > > CB
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:22 AM Mark Felder <feld () feld me> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Jun 6, 2016, at 22:25, Spencer Ryan <sryan () arbor net> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The tunnelbroker service acts exactly like a VPN. It allows you,
> > > > > > from any
> > > > > > > > arbitrary location in the world with an IPv4 address, to bring
> > > > > > traffic
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > via one of HE's 4 POP's, while completely masking your actual
> > > > > > location.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps Netflix should automatically block any connection that's not
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > a known residential ISP or mobile ISP as anything else could be a
> > > > > > server
> > > > > > > someone is proxying through. It's very easy to get these subnets -- the
> > > > > > > spam filtering folks have these subnets well documented. /s
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Mark Felder
> > > > > > > feld () feld me