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Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:19:52 -0400
On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com> wrote: On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, chris <tknchris () gmail com> wrote:I disagree. if they have no native v6 then theres no reason why they shouldnt be able to use the v6 from HE and why should the internet treat that users traffic any differently because its coming from HE or tunneled?This is not about ipv6, it is about an anonymous tunnel.
Contrary to your repeated assertions, HE tunnels are NOT anonymous. HE operates a perfectly fine RWHOIS server that provides sufficient information about each tunnel that it cannot be considered anonymous.
Theres also tons of folks affected who arent on HE, arent tunneling, etc. Theres been many people affected who are being told something is wrong with their network that works fine for anything other than netflix. chrisAgreed. This is also not about ipv6. Doing geo-location based DRM is hard and IMHO painful for all parties involved. My point is IPv6 should not be the collateral damage or conflated in an issue that has nothing to do ipv6. This is about an anonymous tunnel service and strict DRM rules.
No, Cameron, this is about Netflix telling people to turn off IPv6. Admittedly, the above issues are what is leading them to this point, but their proposed solution “turn off IPv6” remains the core problem being raised here.
IPv6 works fine. Tunnels and VPN and Netflix do not work fine.
This is like saying “airplanes work fine, it’s just airlines that suck.” While it’s technically true, airlines are the only experience of airplanes that most people every get access to. Owen
CBOn Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cb.list6 () gmail com');>> wrote:On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, chris <tknchris () gmail com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tknchris () gmail com');>> wrote:it really feels alot like what net neutrality was supposed to avoid. making a policy where there is different treatment of one set of bits over another "your ipv6 bits are bad but if you turn it off the ipv4 bits are just fine" someone mentioned the fact that netflix is not just a content company but also acting as a network operator maybe the two should be separate i also find it ironic that they arent big fans of ISPs who use NAT or CGN and dont have 1 customer per IP yet their stifiling ipv6 and telling users to turn it off. you really cant have it both ways and complain about NAT and also say you recommend shutting off ipv6 :) hopefully they will realize imposing their own policy on how customers use their networks and the internet this isnt worth losing customers over chrisAgain. An HE tunnel is not production ipv6. It is a toy. Telling people to turn of HE tunnel is NOT the same as turning off production ipv6. CBOn Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Elvis Daniel Velea <elvis () velea eu> wrote:apparently, all they see is 3 people complaining on this mailing list.. well, this makes it 4 with me (and I have a bunch of people in various countries complaining on facebook that they have been banned from using netflix because they use an HE tunnel. their answer - TURN IPV6 OFF!!! you're a techie so if you know how to setup a tunnel, you must know how to redirect netflix to use IPv4only...really? the answer just pisses me off! Netflix, YOU are the ones forcing people to turn IPv4 off... this isjustinsane. tens (if not hundred) of thousands of people chose to use HE tunnels because their ISP does not offer IPv6.. do you really expect all of them to turn it off? do you really wantIPv6usage in the world to go down by a few percent because you are unabletofigure out how to serve content? I know nobody at Netflix will even answer to the e-mails on this list.. but I hope that they will at least acknowledge the problem and figureanother way to block content by country. ie: they could try to talk to HE to register each tunnel in a database that points to the country of the user.. cheers, elvis On 6/8/16 1:01 AM, chris wrote:I am also in the same boat with a whole subnet affected even without a tunnel, tried multiple netflix support channels starting in earlymarchand the ranges is still blocked 3 months later. I was a big fan of the service and somewhat of an addict up till thisbutI've really been shocked how this has been (mis)handled chris On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Davide Davini <diotonante () gmail com> wrote: Today I discovered Netflix flagged my IPv6 IP block as "proxy/VPN"and Ican't use it if I don't disable the HE tunnel, which is the only wayforme to have IPv6 at the moment. But the fun part has been Netflix tech support: "Oh I see, yeah we have been receiving reports of some other members with ipv6 having this issues, at the moment Netflix is not really designed to work with ipv6 connections, in this case I can recommendyoutwo things, one is to turn off the ipv6 and the other one will be to contact directly with Hurricane Electric, there are some customersthatwere able to use Netflix with an ipv6 under some specific settingssetby Hurricane Electric." I don't obviously expect HE to fix it, I don't pay for shit, it's afreeservice, why should they? But it's fun to know that " Netflix is not really designed to workwithipv6 connections ". Who did it say on this ML that the best way to solve these issues is Netflix tech support? :) Ciao, Davide Davini
Current thread:
- Netflix banning HE tunnels Davide Davini (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Davide Davini (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Michael Brown (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels chris (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Elvis Daniel Velea (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels chris (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Ca By (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels chris (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Ca By (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Owen DeLong (Jun 08)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Chris Adams (Jun 08)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels John Peach (Jun 08)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Spencer Ryan (Jun 08)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Elvis Daniel Velea (Jun 08)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Javier J (Jun 08)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Alain Hebert (Jun 08)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Mark Felder (Jun 11)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Baldur Norddahl (Jun 11)
- Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels Elvis Daniel Velea (Jun 07)
- RE: Netflix banning HE tunnels Tony Hain (Jun 08)
- RE: Netflix banning HE tunnels Javier J (Jun 08)