Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels

[Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com>]

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016, chris <tknchris () gmail com> wrote:

> it really feels alot like what net neutrality was supposed to avoid. making
> a policy where there is different treatment of one set of bits over another
>
> "your ipv6 bits are bad but if you turn it off the ipv4 bits are just fine"
>
> someone mentioned the fact that netflix is not just a content company but
> also acting as a network operator maybe the two should be separate
>
> i also find it ironic that they arent big fans of ISPs who use NAT or CGN
> and dont have 1 customer per IP yet their stifiling ipv6 and telling users
> to turn it off. you really cant have it both ways and complain about NAT
> and also say you recommend shutting off ipv6 :)
>
> hopefully they will realize imposing their own policy on how customers use
> their networks and the internet  this isnt worth losing customers over
>
> chris

Again. An HE tunnel is not production ipv6. It is a toy.

Telling people to turn of HE tunnel is NOT the same as turning off
production ipv6.

CB


> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Elvis Daniel Velea <elvis () velea eu
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > apparently, all they see is 3 people complaining on this mailing list..
> > well, this makes it 4 with me (and I have a bunch of people in various
> > countries complaining on facebook that they have been banned from using
> > netflix because they use an HE tunnel.
> >
> > their answer - TURN IPV6 OFF!!! you're a techie so if you know how to
> > setup a tunnel, you must know how to redirect netflix to use IPv4 only...
> > really?
> > the answer just pisses me off!
> >
> > Netflix, YOU are the ones forcing people to turn IPv4 off... this is just
> > insane. tens (if not hundred) of thousands of people chose to use HE
> > tunnels because their ISP does not offer IPv6..
> > do you really expect all of them to turn it off? do you really want IPv6
> > usage in the world to go down by a few percent because you are unable to
> > figure out how to serve content?
> >
> > I know nobody at Netflix will even answer to the e-mails on this list..
> > but I hope that they will at least acknowledge the problem and figure an
> > other way to block content by country.
> > ie: they could try to talk to HE to register each tunnel in a database
> > that points to the country of the user..
> >
> > cheers,
> > elvis
> >
> >
> > On 6/8/16 1:01 AM, chris wrote:
> >
> > > I am also in the same boat with a whole subnet affected even without a
> > > tunnel, tried multiple netflix support channels starting in early march
> > > and
> > > the ranges is still blocked 3 months later.
> > >
> > > I was a big fan of the service and somewhat of an addict up till this
> but
> > > I've really been shocked how this has been (mis)handled
> > >
> > > chris
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Davide Davini <diotonante () gmail com
> <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Today I discovered Netflix flagged my IPv6 IP block as "proxy/VPN" and I
> > > > can't use it if I don't disable the HE tunnel, which is the only way
> for
> > > > me to have IPv6 at the moment.
> > > >
> > > > But the fun part has been Netflix tech support:
> > > > "Oh I see, yeah we have been receiving reports of some other members
> > > > with ipv6 having this issues, at the moment Netflix is not really
> > > > designed to work with ipv6 connections, in this case I can recommend
> you
> > > > two things, one is to turn off the ipv6 and the other one will be to
> > > > contact directly with Hurricane Electric, there are some customers that
> > > > were able to use Netflix with an ipv6 under some specific settings set
> > > > by Hurricane Electric."
> > > >
> > > > I don't obviously expect HE to fix it, I don't pay for shit, it's a
> free
> > > > service, why should they?
> > > >
> > > > But it's fun to know that " Netflix is not really designed to work with
> > > > ipv6 connections ".
> > > >
> > > > Who did it say on this ML that the best way to solve these issues is
> > > > Netflix tech support? :)
> > > >
> > > > Ciao,
> > > > Davide Davini