RE: GPON vs. GEPON

["Chris Adams (IT)" <Chris.Adams () ung edu>]

Most reputable enterprise wireless solutions employ band-steering which helps to "force" users onto 5ghz, but still 
allows clients to connect to 2.4 if it's the only SSID strong enough or if the client only supports 2.4ghz. Band 
steering largely negates the need to run two SSIDs for optimal band selection.

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:39 PM
To: Josh Reynolds <josh () kyneticwifi com>
Cc: nanog-isp () mail com; NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: GPON vs. GEPON

Only if the 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz networks are on the same SSID.

I don’t do that… I maintain separate 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz SSIDs. This allows me to know which one I am on and force when 
desirable (usually forcing 5Ghz is desirable).

Owen

> On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:03 , Josh Reynolds <josh () kyneticwifi com> wrote:
>
> Customer devices will see the higher signal on the 2.4GHz AP and simply connect to that, especially as they roam 
> through the house. Most don't pay attention to SNR at all.
>
> On Jan 8, 2016 12:53 PM, "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net <mailto:nanog () ics-il net>> wrote:
> I think that was Josh's point, that 5 GHz will likely deliver better RF performance than 2.4 (despite physics) due to 
> the amount of interference in 2.4.
>
>
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> From: "Owen DeLong" <owen () delong com <mailto:owen () delong com>>
> To: "Josh Reynolds" <josh () kyneticwifi com 
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> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 12:46:37 PM
> Subject: Re: GPON vs. GEPON
>
> > Count in oversubscription rates for residential, and consider that 
> > most people, despite what they say or think, will end up on 2.4GHz 
> > wireless in the home due to 5GHz sucking more than a room away - 
> > that ends up being a very scalable solution for residential service.
>
> Um… 5GHz works a lot better from one end of my house to the other than 
> 2.4Ghz due (in large part) to this fact… Almost every one of my 
> neighbors is using various 2.4GHz devices including about 45 external 
> SSIDs visible from the center of my house using the on-board antenna of an ESP8266 board from Adafruit.
>
> The noise floor and congestion on 2.4GHz in many urban settings, 
> especially here in Silicon Valley makes 5Ghz a much better option in 
> any home where people are smart enough to pay attention to the difference.
>
> OTOH, since the WiFi consortium took away the ability for consumers to 
> easily differentiate (it’s all “n” or “ac” now regardless of 
> frequency) and you have to really read the fine print on the side of 
> the box to find a 5Ghz capable WAP at your local big box store, most 
> consumers end up on 2.4Ghz because those are the least expensive routers on the shelf.
>
> Personally, I don’t mind this, but I think the 2.4Ghz prevalence has 
> more to do with consumers not knowing what they are buying than it does with performance.
>
> Owen

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