Re: Cable Operator List

[Colton Conor <colton.conor () gmail com>]

Yes, I looked at CASA, but their small unit is the C1G, which is an 8x8 max
DOCSIS 3.0 unit. Plus they want a high price point, almost quadruple what a
16X4 Pico Digital or Harmonic's unit cost. Not seeing the value or specs
there to justify it.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Steven Shalita <sshalita () comcast net> wrote:

> Have you looked at Casa Systems?  They some smaller density MDU stuff.
>
> -Steve
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any errors.
>
> > On Feb 9, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor () gmail com>
> wrote:
> > Scott,
> >
> > Have any idea which exact vendors and model numbers are within this price
> > range? So far I have just found mini CMTS systems like the Pico and
> > Harmonic's. Both of these are a 16x4 configuration, but no mention of
> > remote MAC+PHY nor DOSIS 3.1. Then their is Huawei's solution, but still
> I
> > think that's more based on C-DOCSIS. Searching the vendors websites you
> > recommended show no results for remote MAC+PHY in a small format.
> >
> > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Colton,
> > >
> > > D3.1 gear is just coming online right now.  If you're going to go with
> the
> > > smaller PHY+MAC approach I'd just make sure the company has plans to
> update
> > > their boxes to 3.1 in a decent (your judgement) amount of time.  Don't
> > > expect any 3.0 box to be software upgradeable to 3.1, the hardware is
> quite
> > > different.  The PHY+MAC boxes are _generally_ < $10k and some are
> talking
> > > about ~6k.
> > >
> > > All the vendors we've listed so far have plans for 3.1, but I don't
> have a
> > > timeline for any of them.  Right now the market is still trying to
> decide
> > > how modular CMTS will be rolled out, remote PHY, remote MAC+PHY, or a
> > > combination.  For example, Cisco is (for the moment) betting that remote
> > > PHY economics will be compelling for the larger operators, while Arris
> is
> > > doing both approaches.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Helms
> > > Chief Technology Officer
> > > ZCorum
> > > (678) 507-5000
> > > --------------------------------
> > > http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
> > > --------------------------------
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor () gmail com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is a remote MAC+PHY the same thing as a Distributed Converged Cable
> > > > Access Platform (D-CCAP) solution like Huawei is pushing? Is DOCSIS 3.1
> > > > even out, or am I looking for something that does not exist yet?
> > > >
> > > > Are these remote MAC+PHY devices in the under 10K price range that
> these
> > > > smaller all in one CMTS platforms are?
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>
> wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor () gmail com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, we are in the USA. So based on everyones recommendations, I am
> > > > > > going to stay far away from EURODOCSIS. I was told be a vendor that
> > > > > > Arris and other USA FCC certified cable modems could easily be
> flashed to
> > > > > > EURODOCIS mode, so I did not think the CPE side was that big of a
> deal (is
> > > > > > that even true). I was not aware that there were so many differences
> > > > > > besides just the channel width.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wish this were the case, it would make my life easier.  The problem
> is
> > > > > that there is a diplex filter that prevents the upstream burst from
> being
> > > > > heard by the downstream receiver and for cost purposes all the D3 and
> > > > > earlier modems have fixed filters.  What that means is that a
> EuroDOCSIS
> > > > > modem can (sometimes) be flashed to use 6MHz channels, but the
> reverse is
> > > > > NOT true.  In any case we don't recommend using Euro modems that are
> > > > > flashed to US standards in production (nor do the vendors) because
> you'll
> > > > > see much more upstream leakage.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > So, assuming we are talking about DOCSIS only (and not EURODOCSIS),
> > > > > > what do you recommend? I like the idea of being able to upgrade to
> 3.1, but
> > > > > > not sure if there are any small systems capable of this? By small I
> mean
> > > > > > something that could feed less than 100 units, and be economical to
> do.
> > > > > > Cable has the advantage of cheap modems, so it's really the CMTS
> side.
> > > > > In that case I'd definitely go with a remote MAC+PHY.  That's the only
> > > > > way you're going to get a good price point and decent performance
> unless
> > > > > you want to use the secondary market, which actually isn't a bad idea
> right
> > > > > now.  A used 7225 with 8x8 blades is pretty cheap, but it's
> centralized
> > > > > CMTS that would cover ~3k subs.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Please remember I am only interested in data internet services over
> > > > > > this plant. Something that works for garden style layouts where I
> can bring
> > > > > > fiber or coaxial to the side of a garden townhome that has between 4
> to 16
> > > > > > units inside of it. The reason I requested a harden outdoor unit is
> that
> > > > > > most all of the garden style properties have both the phone
> > > > > > and coaxial drops on the outside of the building. There is no central
> > > > > > closet or room. Plus we are in the south, so hardened for the
> > > > > > heat exposure makes sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A remote MAC-PHY (or pre remote MAC-PHY, ala mini CMTS) sounds like
> > > > > > what I want. I will check into Huawei and Gainspeed. Who else makes
> these?
> > > > > In no particular order, Arris is or will be, Teleste (Euro vendor
> trying
> > > > > to break into the US),  Sumavision, Altera, and ton more I can't
> remember.
> > > > > Come to one of the SCTE shows (it's in Philadelphia this year) if you
> want
> > > > > to be deluged with them :)
> > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > Nick,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Absolutely, if your plant is in Europe or one of the other areas
> (lots
> > > > > > > of Africa and the middle East is like that) that adopted EuroDOCSIS
> I'd
> > > > > > > agree wholeheartedly.  I didn't see Colton say where they're
> located, but
> > > > > > > all North America is the US flavor so that's what I assume on NANOG.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That being said, the best thing that seldom gets mentioned about
> D3.1
> > > > > > > is getting us to unified channelization.
> > > > > > > Scott Helms wrote:
> > > > > > > > That very small upside for an extreme downside.Trying to hire
> someone
> > > > > > > > to work on your system with Euro channelization, not to mention
> > > > > > > buying
> > > > > > > > amplifiers and passives is a huge PITA.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ... if your plant is in the US.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have customers in Europe who
> > > > > > > > decided to do US DOCSIS and they universally wish they had used the
> > > > > > > > local "flavor".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > as you say, eurodocsis works well in europe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3.1 will be a major improvement when it materialises.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nick