Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption

[Brett A Mansfield <lists () silverlakeinternet com>]

The problem with this is some of us smaller guys don't have the ability to get IPv6 addresses from our upstream 
providers that don't support it. And even if we did do dual stack, then we're paying for both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. 
The cost is just too high. ARIN should give anyone with a current IPv4 address block a free equivalently sized IPv6 
block (256 IPv4 = 256 /56s or one /48 IPv6). If they did that, there would be a lot more IPv6 adoption in dual stack. 

I don't understand why anyone would give an end user a /48. That is over 65,000 individual devices. A /56 is 256 
devices which is the standard /24 IPv4. What home user has that many devices??? A /56 to the home should be standard. 
Based on giving each customer a /56, I could run my entire small ISP off a single /48. I know there are a lot of IP 
addresses in the IPv6 realm, but why waste them? At the rate were going, everything will have an IP address soon. Maybe 
one day each item of your clothing will need their own IP address to tell you if it's time to wash or if it needs 
repair. Stranger things have happened. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 2, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Steve Mikulasik <Steve.Mikulasik () civeo com> wrote:
>
> I think more focus needs to be for carriers to deliver dual stack to their customers door step, whether they 
> demand/use it or not. Small ISPs are probably in the best position to do this and will help push the big boys along 
> with time. If we follow the network effect (reason why IPv4 lives and IPv6 is slowly growing), IPv6 needs more nodes, 
> all other efforts are meaningless if they do not result in more users having IPv6 delivered to their door. 
>
> I think people get too lost in the weeds when they start focusing on device support, home router support, user 
> knowledge, etc. Just get it working to the people and we can figure out the rest later.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Matthew Newton <mcn4 () leicester ac uk>
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> Subject: Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption
>
>
> In message <20151001232613.GD123100 () rootmail cc le ac uk>, Matthew Newton writes:
>
> Additionally it is now a OLD addressing protocol.  We are about to see young adults that have never lived in a world 
> without IPv6.  It may not have been universally available when they were born but it was available.  There are 
> definitely school leavers that have never lived in a world where IPv6 did not exist.  My daughter will be one of them 
> next year when she finishes year 12.  IPv6 is 7 months older than she is.
>
> Some of us have been running IPv6 in production for over a decade now and developing products that support IPv6 even 
> longer.
>
> We have had 17 years to build up a universal IPv6 network.  It should have been done by now.
>
> Mark
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