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Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]


From: Jack Bates <jbates () paradoxnetworks net>
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 08:46:51 -0600

On 3/2/2015 11:14 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
If the network supported it this would be typical of a household with teenagers. People adapt their usage to the constraints presented. That doesn't mean they are necessarially happy with the constraints. Don't take lack of complaints as indicating people don't want things improved. As speed increases the importance of more speed decreases. We get to the point where thing happen fast enough. We also start to be limited by things other than link speed. Mark

This. I'm moving considerably out into the country. Discussions about the uncertainty of what we'll be doing for broadband has given me a good insight to my son's expectations.

At a minimum he needs the ability for his phone or computer to be able to send messages to his friends; and raise your hand if you believe he'll actually settle for that long term.

However, this is not what he wants. He'd like to stream video/video skype more on his phone, but he has to make sure to stay under the plan's data limit. He'd like to host more gaming servers at the house (though he guesses he can settle for the DC based VPS server, but it's limited on supported games). He'd like to stream his games to twitch. He'd like to collaborate with others on his music. He'd like to mine crypto-currency (nothing to do with upload, but I'm not paying for it).

As he's gotten older, he's wanted to do a lot more things. He is settling for what the bandwidth will allow him to do. He is finding ways around the limitations, but that does not mean he doesn't want more. I'd like to say that my son is special (He is! I'm his dad!), but in relation to this discussion he's an average teenager.

Time moves on. We may not need symmetric bandwidth, but we definitely need much higher upload capacity and, if possible, we should consider how to make things more dynamic as we move forward. Software developers push what the majority can support. When there's enough people able to handle HD, they pump HD. When there is enough upload capacity, they'll develop more apps that utilize it. And if they can get away with developing p2p streaming to save their own costs on bandwidth, they WILL do it. After all, in the end, it's still about the money.


Jack


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