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Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]
From: Mark Andrews <marka () isc org>
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 16:14:38 +1100
In message <000101d05567$74b58530$5e208f90$@gmail.com>, "Chuck Church" writes:
Since this has turned into a discussion on upload vs download speed, figured I'd throw in a point I haven't really brought up. For the most part, uploading isn't really a time-sensitive activity to the general (as in 99% of the ) public. Uploading a bunch of facebook photos, you hit upload, and then expect it to take x amount of time. Could be 30 seconds, could be 30 minutes. Everyone expects that wait. Sending a large email attachment, you hit send, and then get back to doing something else. There just aren't that many apps out there that have a dependence on time-sensitive upload performance.
Just tell that to your child that has to submit a assignment before midnight or get zero on 20% of the year's marks. There are plenty of cases where uploads are time critical there are also time where it really doesn't matter.
On download, of course no wants to see buffering on their cat videos or watching Netflix. Thus the high speed download. Honesty, I'm willing to bet that even a random sampling of NANOG people would show their download data quantity to be 10x what their upload quantity is in a day. For average users, probably much more than 10x. Why some folks are insisting upload is vital just can't be true for normal home users.
Once you get over a certain threshold more download speed doesn't buy as much as more upload speed. For movies you want the data there before you need to display it. It really doesn't matter if it is 30 seconds before or 20 minutes before, you only consume the data so fast.
Those households trying to do 5 simultaneous Skype sessions aren't typical.
If the network supported it this would be typical of a household with teenagers. People adapt their usage to the constraints presented. That doesn't mean they are necessarially happy with the constraints. Don't take lack of complaints as indicating people don't want things improved. As speed increases the importance of more speed decreases. We get to the point where thing happen fast enough. We also start to be limited by things other than link speed. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka () isc org
Current thread:
- RE: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Barry Shein (Feb 28)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Barry Shein (Feb 28)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Lyndon Nerenberg (Feb 28)
- RE: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Frank Bulk (Feb 28)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Lamar Owen (Mar 02)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Owen DeLong (Mar 02)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Lamar Owen (Mar 02)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Owen DeLong (Mar 02)
- RE: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Chuck Church (Mar 02)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] N. Max Pierson (Mar 02)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Mark Andrews (Mar 02)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Stephen Satchell (Mar 03)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Mark Andrews (Mar 03)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Scott Helms (Mar 03)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Tei (Mar 03)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Mark Andrews (Mar 03)
- RE: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Frank Bulk (Mar 06)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] James R Cutler (Mar 07)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Owen DeLong (Mar 02)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Lamar Owen (Mar 04)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Dave Taht (Mar 04)
- Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] Jack Bates (Mar 03)