Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

You can call it, but the line has been disconnected. 

I know tons of people with those devices. What do they do with them? Netflix, Amazon, Youtube, etc. Less than 10% of 
even techies I know have in-home media... and they've already run copper or fiber everywhere anyway. 

In-home media is likely shrinking due to the market making it so convenient to do it online vs. having to rip or 
Torrent everything you could possibly ever want, store it and manage the interface to get it. Look at percentage of 
traffic that was Torrent 10 years ago and percentage of traffic today that is NetFlix. 

Do people do it? Yes. Do new people do it every day? Yes. Do normal people do it? No. Is it growing? No. Is it a large 
percentage of people? No. Even if it were a ton of people, would it be some flagrant violation of what I proposed? In 
no way whatsoever. 

I referred to dynamic channel sizes. 5, 10, 20, 30, 40 MHz would be more than sufficient. 




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Mike Hammett 
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----- Original Message -----

From: "Owen DeLong" <owen () delong com> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net> 
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 11:51:29 AM 
Subject: Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] 

Mike, I call bullshit here. 

The sales of Apple TV, Google Chromecast, Amazon’s streaming stick, TiVO Stream, and other set-top boxes that stream 
room to room are just too high to believe that people are not using these devices to move A/V information within the 
home. Add to that the number of people who use tablet/cellular capabilities like AirPlay to stream content from their 
phone/tablet to their A/V systems and I think you’re well beyond 5% of the market and growing. 

Owen 

> On Feb 28, 2015, at 07:57 , Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote: 
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> Over 95% of the people don't do anything of the sort (probably much closer to 100 than 95). The most common usage is 
> tablets and phones going to Facebook, YouTube and Netflix. Regular consumers couldn't care less about anything else. 
> If you think otherwise, you've (perhaps thankfully) spent too long away from your standard consumer). 
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> From: "James R Cutler" <james.cutler () consultant com> 
> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net> 
> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> 
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 9:04:56 AM 
> Subject: Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality] 
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> On Feb 28, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Mike Hammett < nanog () ics-il net > wrote: 
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> Only have a 25 meg Internet service? Use a 5 MHz channel, not 160 MHz. 
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> So, if I use wireless to my, for example, Apple TV, I should limit the rate between my file server Mac and the Apple 
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> I’m not certain that is reasonable. 
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> James R. Cutler 
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