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Re: RES: Exploits start against flaw that could hamstring huge swaths of
From: alvin nanog <nanogml () Mail DDoS-Mitigator net>
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 10:27:15 -0700
hi ya
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:With the (large) caveat that heterogenous networks are more subject to human error in many cases.<cough>automate!</cough>
... On 08/04/15 at 12:21pm, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:Automation just means your mistake goes many more places more quickly.and letting people keep poking at things that computers should be doing is... much worse. people do not have reliability and repeat-ability over time.
ditto ... computers are experts at listening and repeatatively doing what it's told to do ..
If you fear 'many more places' problems, improve your testing.
i prefer automation .. even if it's wrong, you can look at the script and see what bad things it did and you should know what to do to fix the problem and fix the script to prevent it from spreading that mistake again <person's standard excuse> if you ask a person(s), what did you do to create this mess, "duh... i donno" btw, it's my kids birthday, i needed to be home an hr ago with the cake :-) hummm... :-) </standard> ----- <fwiw> for automation to work: - folks updating the scripts should be required to know all platforms being used and how its different from each other - folks testing the scripts/updates process/proceedures should be paid bonuses, even free pizza/beer for finding bugs before release to the your internal world of automated-machines - always have 3 co-developments boxes for the script develpment and to backup each other - always have 2 or more test bed boxes for initial releases of new scripts where those boxes can also be downgraded back to the previous release before the new patches was applied - if nothing went wrong, there should be minimal issue with release a patch where it doesn't propagate "problems automatically to everywhere" the trick is "how good are the eyes/brains" that is looking for potential problems of the new releases/patches/updates/etc - i also say always let clients pull down patches vs pushing it to systems that seems un-responsive to avoid having to wait for dead boxes ----- all appps, not just bind, has occasional problems .. changing to something else doesn't necessarily solve the original "bug" problem pixie dust alvin # ddos-mitigator.net
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