Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP

[Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>]

Blake,

I'm not sure what the relationship between what an access network sells has
to do with how their peering is done.  I realize that everyone's favorite
target is Comcast right now, but would anyone bat an eye over AT&T making
the same requirement since they have much more in the way of transit
traffic?  I don't think anyone forced Level 3 into their peering agreement
with Comcast and it was (roughly) symmetrical for years before Level 3 was
contracted by Netflix.  Shouldn't Level 3 gone to Comcast and told them
they needed to change their peering or get a different contract?  Why was
Cogent able to maintain (roughly) symmetrical traffic with Comcast when
they were the primary path for Netflix to Comcast users?

Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
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On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Blake Hudson <blake () ispn net> wrote:

> Oh, I'm not proposing symmetrical connectivity at all. I'm just supporting
> the argument that in the context of this discussion I think it's silly for
> a residential ISP to purport themselves to be a neutral carrier of traffic
> and expect peering ratios to be symmetric when the overwhelming majority of
> what they're selling (and have been selling for over a decade) is
> asymmetric connectivity. Their traffic imbalance is, arguably, their own
> doing.
>
> How residential ISPs recoup costs (or simply increase revenue/profit) is
> another question entirely. I think the most insightful comment in this
> discussion was made by Mr. Rick Astley (I assume a pseudonym), when he
> states that ISPs have several options to increase revenue A) Increase price
> of their product, B) Implement usage restrictions, or C) Charge someone
> else/Make someone else your customer. I think he successfully argues that
> option C may be the best. As we've seen, the wireless market in the US went
> for option B. We've yet to see where the wireline market will go.
>
> Of course, the market would ideally keep ISPs' demands for revenue/profit
> in check and we'd all reach a satisfactory solution. One of the arguments,
> one I happen to support, in this thread is that there is not a free market
> for internet connectivity in many parts of the US. If there was, I believe
> Comcast would be focusing on how to provide a balance between the best
> product at the lowest cost and not on how they can monetize their paying
> customers in order to increase profits. I appreciate honesty; When a
> service provider advertises X Mbps Internet speeds, I expect they can
> deliver on their claims (to the whole Internet, and not just the portions
> of it they've decided). I understand congestion, overselling, etc. But
> choosing which portions of the internet work well and which don't is a lot
> more like censorship than service.
>
> --Blake