Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)

["Bob Evans" <bob () FiberInternetCenter com>]

Bob Evans
CTO

> On 3/24/14 9:12 PM, "Bob Evans" <bob () FiberInternetCenter com> wrote:
>
> > I agree with "one" thing herein....
> >
> > > In order for IPv6 to truly work, everyone needs to be moving towards
> > > IPv6.
> >
> > Yep, chicken and the egg. I agree. We built an IPv6 "native" network - no
> > tunneling - no customers to speak of ... didn't even bother to start IPv6
> > peering on it.
>
> How would there be traffic if you have no peering?

4 IPv6 transits and a handful of customers. Today, we only provide fiber
service to businesses. Tiny traffic - no IPv6 peering at IX locations.

> > An there you have it, how much is someone willing to pay for space in the
> > Internet casino. Well, it's much more than free and probably close to the
> > dollar level in the presentation by Lee Howard at an ARIN meeting (I
> > think
> > it was in Barbados or maybe I have that meeting place wrong and it was
> > NANOG) ... Well, $40/month per IP address will be the pain level for all
> > customers to finally cash-in the IPv4 chips and move to IPv6.
>
> I wish it was Barbados!
> NANOG56.
> http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog56/presentations/Wednesday/wed.general.h
> oward.24.wmv

Thanks Lee, I was hunting for that link.

> > Thus far, IPv6 has been the "Field of Dreams" .... those of us who have
> > built it, we know they have not yet come  (the IPv6 customers).  That's
> > all this discussion is really about is "when will they come".
>
> Some of us have quite a few IPv6 customers:
> http://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/
> And we see significant traffic from those users.  :-)

Maybe my isolation in silicon valley causes me to have a different IPv6
experience. Not much IPv6 happening here. I heard Google my have topped
over 2% traffic that is IPv6. Significant ? Not from where I am sitting.

> > I know the core of the Internet will be IPv4 for many years. All one has
> > to do is talk to a few customer to find out that they are in no hurry.
> > It's a no-brainer, because , none of us charges a customer more than than
> > lunch money for an IPv4 address.
>
> Depends on what you mean by "core." For some values of "core," the
> Internet is already dual-stack.
>
> > Now, if you tell me all the porn site owners were great net citizens,
> > ready to move to IPv6 and shut off IPv4 access, well then I can see
> > things
> > moving along much faster.
>
> Feel free to offer them a discount for dual-stack, and a deeper discount
> for IPv6-only.
> Unfortunately, I don't know any porn site operators, so I haven't been
> able to have conversations with them about the economics of IPv6.

We give away the IPv6 to every business on a second port - to make their
life easy and encourage them to play with it. Unfortunately, few try it at
all.

Bob

> Lee