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Re: Cheap LSN/CGN/NAT444 Solution


From: Mark Andrews <marka () isc org>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 09:23:57 +1000


In message <96782.1404135619 () turing-police cc vt edu>, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu writes:
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:59:47 +1000, Skeeve Stevens said:

I am after a LSN/CGN/NAT444 solution to put about 1000 Residential profile
NBN speeds (fastest 100/40) services behind.

This solution is for v4 only, and needs to consider the profile of the
typical residential users.  Any pitfalls would be helpful to know - as in
what will and and more importantly wont work - or any work-arounds which
may work.

Pitfall 1:  Make sure you have enough support desk to handle calls from
everybody who's doing something that doesn't play nice with CGN/NAT444.
And remember that unless "screw you, find another provider" is an acceptable
response to a customer, those calls are going to be major resource sinks to
resolve to the customer's satisfaction...

And this is where the entire industry world wide is to blame.  CGN,
DS-Lite, NAT64 are designed as end-of-transition products not start-
of-transition products.  They are designed around getting to a
legacy IPv4 network.  CGN, DS-Lite, and NAT64 all reduce functionality
that is normally available on wired networks.

Just because there was not a fixed date, like 1/1/2000, for when it
would be too late didn't mean that there wasn't a problem coming
or that plain dual stack shouldn't have been ubiquitous before then.

As a consumer I don't want to be forced to loose functionally because
the industry as a whole was too f!@$!#!@ short sighted to do what
was best for the consumer well enough in advance so that everyone
could sort out the teething issues.  Networks work because *everybody*
can speak the same protocol.  I don't care which transport protocol
I use.  I do care if I can't continue to do something because people
were too slow to react.

Pitfall 2: These sort of short-term solutions often end up still in
use well after their sell-by date.  If you're planning to deploy a
new solution in 6 months, maybe throwing resources at a short-term fix
is counterproductive and the resources should go towards making the current
solution hold together and deploying the long-term solution...

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Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742                 INTERNET: marka () isc org


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