RE: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

[David Hofstee <david () mailplus nl>]

About #3... I had a little discussion on abuse-wg@RIPE a while ago about keeping records up to date and relevant. See 
below. 

Nobody at RIPE cares much at the moment (to actually pick up this subject). Maybe they need a push with a TerexRH400.


David Hofstee

Deliverability Management
MailPlus B.V. Netherlands (ESP)
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Hi Frederik,

Who has an interest in a clean database? The sloppy Org or Ripe? The answer is Ripe, therefore it should also spend 
energy [via Ripe Ncc] in (making sure that Orgs are) keeping it clean.

Kids do not grow up themselves, it requires an active process. Organisations are not much different.

David


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Van: Fredrik Widell [mailto:fredrik () resilans se] 
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 maart 2013 10:37
Aan: MailPlus| David Hofstee
CC: anti-abuse-wg () ripe net
Onderwerp: RE: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Reporting Issues

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, MailPlus| David Hofstee wrote:

Well, that is probably more a sign of a sloppy organisation, it is up to the LIR to keep the ripedb up to date, this is 
not the role of RIPE. You probably dont expect RIPE to keep track of your old DNS-entrys and give you a phone-call if 
it seems that a customer-name is wrong do you?



> Hi Frederik,
>
> I am such a person (DH3195-RIPE). I entered my email a long time ago. Unlike passwords that expire and accounts that 
> get locked when not used, this vital contact info is never re-validated. We never get mail that says: "Ripe wants to 
> confirm that you are still having Role X in your organisation. Click here to confirm.". A full-inbox bounce could 
> trigger a phone call. Etc.  Ripe should charge money for not keeping records up to date.
>
> In my (ESP) world, an email address that has not been used by the list-owner for over a year is a risk for a spam 
> trap ;-).
>
> Bye,
>
> David
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Van: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] Namens Andrei Robachevsky
Verzonden: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 4:24 PM
Aan: NANOG
Onderwerp: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

Colleagues,

A small group of network operators has been working on defining a minimal, but feasible package of recommended measures 
that, if deployed on a wide scale, could result in visible improvements to the security and resilience of the global 
routing system.

Many operators are ahead of the curve and already implement much more than the proposed recommendations. But we believe 
that gathering support for these relatively small steps could pave the road to more significant actions on a global 
scale.

We called this set of recommendations a Routing Resilience Manifesto - you can find a draft document here: 
https://www.routingmanifesto.org/.

This initial version of the Manifesto was drafted by a small group, but we need a wider community review, your 
feedback, and, ultimately, your support to make this initiative fly. It was already presented at several venues, like 
RIPE and NANOG, and now we open it for a more detailed review. Please note that this is very much a work in progress.

Please review the document and provide your feedback and text suggestions online or via routingmanifesto () isoc org by 
31 August 2014.

Regards,

Andrei Robachevsky
Internet Society