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Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
From: Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:22:52 -0700
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia () gmail com> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Naslund, Steve <SNaslund () medline com> wrote:Here we go down the rabbit hole again. This is not difficult. AnInternet Service Provider is an entity that provides Internet connectivity to its customers for some consideration.If you are looking for a legal definition of an ISP you are not going tofind (a >satisfactory) one. The FCC does have specific rules that define carrierssuch as ILEC, CLEC, RLEC, and those have definitions. ISP is really atermthat describes a line of business. There is no engineering definitionof anISP that is defined by any regulatory body that I am aware of.Correct. "ISP" is not a specific technology or business. It is based on what is being sold. You can be selling customers a dial-up service where your customers are presented with a shell prompt over the dial-in terminal connected to a hosted Unix server you are renting with connectivity from a 56K leased line, and you are still an ISP. By common definitions, by the way, Youtube has been referred to as an ISP. An ISP is a company that generates revenue by providing connectivity to internet resources (in this case: streaming video). Usually ISP is used to refer to providers that are selling complete internet connectivity, however, not organizations that merely run one website providing entertainment or e-commerce. You can subdivide the idea of ISP into various related ideas such as "Online Service Provider", "Network Service Provider", "Broadband Service Provider", "E-mail service provider", "Mobile Data Provider", etc Which are more informative, but generally equally vague and informal. -- -JH
*sigh* Fine, fine, y'all are super-attached to your business-y definitions of ISP. I'll clarify my earlier point to eliminate this confusion. To the core of the internet, if you do not have an AS number, you do not exist. If your business does not have an AS number *as far as the BGP speaking core of the internet is concerned, there is no representation for your entity, no matter what acronym you attach to it.* There. Confusion over. You can call yourself an ISP until you're blue in the face, for all the good it does you; the incontrovertible point I'm making is that you don't exist as a recognizably separate entity from your upstream provider from the network perspective. Matt
Current thread:
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix, (continued)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Jima (Jul 10)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Matthew Petach (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Scott Helms (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Matthew Petach (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Scott Helms (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Matthew Petach (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Scott Helms (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Matthew Petach (Jul 11)
- RE: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Naslund, Steve (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Jimmy Hess (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Matthew Petach (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Miles Fidelman (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Randy Bush (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Randy Bush (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Owen DeLong (Jul 11)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix George Herbert (Jul 12)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Barry Shein (Jul 12)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Barry Shein (Jul 12)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Miles Fidelman (Jul 12)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Barry Shein (Jul 12)
- Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix Dave Crocker (Jul 12)