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Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix


From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman () meetinghouse net>
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 11:09:42 -0400

It strikes me that there are lots of legitimate, but conflicting, views on this topic - all of which come down to there being no clearly established principles for peering, traffic exchange, or settlements (either de facto or imposed by law or regulation ---- and different player are coming from worlds with very different existing models.

Traditional package delivery:
- sender pays, shipping costs paid by purchaser
- COD model - purchaser pays on delivery

There's the traditional telecom model:
- end users pay for basic connection and local facilities (which, for corporate users includes PBX or Centrex costs)
- caller pays for end-to-end connection
- caller pays local carrier - with money flowing to both the long-haul carrier and the far-end local exchange carrier (somewhat modified, for a time, when it was common to have a separate long distance carrier, and a separate bill) - and then there's the whole realm of 900 numbers - money is collected by the telco, but forwarded to 3rd party providers

Wireless:
- pay by the minute for connection, at both ends - settlements up and down the chain

Cable:
- end user pays for connection and content
- cable company pays content providers

Internet:
- users pay for access, pay more for a larger pipe
- access networks pay for connections to backbone networks
- some formal exchange points
- lots of back-room peering arrangements
- general principle of settlement-free peering when traffic flows are equal in both directions - big problem with large one-way flows (e.g., the purported 1/3 of Internet traffic that consists of Netflix video streams - not sure I completely believe that statistic, but video sure seems to dominate the net these days, with a lot of it coming from Netflix and maybe YouTube)

So... which model to apply:
- shipping model: sender pays shipping, bundled in price (we all pay Netflix, Netflix pays all the carriers) - COD model: (we're still paying Netflix, but Verizon collects and forwards the dollars) - telephone model: caller pays (but the notion of caller is kind of tricky in a P2P - cable model: customer pays local carrier, local carrier pays all the upstream costs for both content and carriage (Verizon becomes Netflix customer, pays Netflix)

And that's before we get into settlements - whomever pays the initial bill, and whomever collects it - who pays the folks in them middle.

There are real costs, ultimately the end user pays the bill - so it comes down to who collects the dollars and how they get distributed. Where it gets muddied up is when: - we try to avoid models that are "unfair" and/or "anti-competitive" and/or threaten to Balkanize the net ("Fast Lanes," "net neutrality," "common carriage") - a rather important set of considerations to most of us - big players start pointing fingers in the interests of pushing costs onto others while maximizing their own profits

All in all, one big mess.

Miles Fidelman

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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra


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