Re: Will a single /27 get fully routed these days?

["Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net>]

> [...] particularly of policies defined by a handful of folks who bother to participate in the ARIN public policy 
> processes

I love this part.

"I was told a billion times where and how to participate in the policy debate - to the point where many people complain 
they are being told too many times - yet still did not 'bother' to participate. And now I am going to bitch and moan 
about the policy because, well, OTHER PEOPLE WROTE IT WITHOUT MY INPUT."

Whot-EVA.

ARIN is community owned & operated. You don't like it, fine, but don't complain when policies are turned out that you 
don't like if you don't even 'bother' to participate.

-- 
TTFN,
patrick



On Jan 26, 2014, at 20:26 , David Conrad <drc () virtualized org> wrote:

> On Jan 26, 2014, at 11:45 AM, John Levine <johnl () iecc com> wrote:
> > > I wonder what will change (if anything) when ARIN runs out of IPv4 space.
> > The market in used IPv4 space will come out from the shadows,
>
> It mostly has already done so in the APNIC and RIPE regions out of necessity.
>
> > and we'll see endless arguments between
> > buyers of IPv4 space and ARIN, when ARIN refuses the updates to the
> > address registry.
>
> This would be "bad". I can think of few more effective ways of destroying the RIR system than by refusing to update 
> the address registry. IMHO, the primary function of the Registries is to, you know, register. Not act as policy 
> police, particularly of policies defined by a handful of folks who bother to participate in the ARIN public policy 
> processes.
>
> > I don't see any reason for the people who run defaultless routers all over the world to change the /24 rule.  
>
> So IIUC, the theory goes that ISPs will be encouraged by their customers (upon pain of those customers becoming 
> former customers) to announce their long prefixes, even though the ISPs will say "but nobody will listen".  However, 
> some ISPs _do_ listen (or rather, _don't_ filter) so the long prefix customers will get partial (i.e., worse than 
> normal) reachability. Said customers will then whine at their ISPs saying "fix it!" and said ISPs will go to their 
> peers and grovel, perhaps offering the Faustian bargain of "I'll accept yours if you accept mine and our respective 
> customers will stop whining at us about each other". And then the apocalypse occurs. Or something like that.
>
> Regards,
> -drc

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