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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics


From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 08:30:08 -0700

As I said, for an example of just how well such an environment works, one need look no further than what happened when 
MCI attempted to use Pacific Bell/SBC/AT&T unbundled copper pairs to provide local telephone service.

In reality, this turns out to be horrible for the customer, unpleasant at best for the competitive service provider, 
and one of the few areas where I’ve ever seen a traditional telco be truly innovative. Pacific Bell/SBC/AT&T found the 
most innovative ways to stall/finger-point/avoid responsibility that I have ever seen. Watching the tap-dance they did 
in front of the PUC at subsequent hearings where nobody seemed to have the sbupoena’d data among the 20+ witnesses that 
they presented was quite amusing to me. The ALJ was not so amused, but the fine imposed was barely a slap on the wrist 
and easily less than the revenue impact to the competitive access providers.

Believe me when I say that such a law is almost entirely unenforceable and not really worth the paper it is written on 
if the layer 1 provider is truly motivated to stifle competition which is dependent on their unbundled elements.

Canada is struggling with some similar pains under their competitive access cable markets.

Owen

On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:04 AM, Corey Touchet <corey.touchet () corp totalserversolutions com> wrote:

Not really, the law can say  must provide standards compliant access for
interconnections with a agreed upon base set of features it must support.
Any provider that wants something extra can negotiate the reasonable costs
of implementation.




On 8/1/14, 8:44 AM, "Owen DeLong" <owen () delong com> wrote:


On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu> wrote:

On Friday, August 01, 2014 08:54:07 AM mcfbbqroast . wrote:

This would be my humble suggestion:

- lines provider runs fibre pair from each home to co. By
default the lines provider installs a simple consumer
terminal, with gigabit Ethernet outputs and POTS.

The problem with this is it allows the lines provider to dictate
the technology to be used by all higher-layer service providers.

IMHO, this is undesirable, because it blocks innovation and
service differentiation on this basis.

Ideally, the lines provider is simply a lines provider and provides
a number of dark fiber pairs between the serving wire center (what
you called a CO) and each premise served by the SWC.

Termination at the customer end should be a box in which a customer
terminal can be installed and the fibers should all be terminated on
some standard form of patch panel (ST or LC probably preferred,
but others may be acceptable).

It would then be up to the service provider(s) to provide the terminals
and decide between customer self-install and truck-rolls for service
turn-up.

- lines provider provides a reasonably oversubscribed
service to soft hand over to ISPs (think 96 Gbps lines
to 2 10gbps ports). Perhaps upgrading so such a ratio
never becomes congested could be a requirement?

Putting the lines provider into this part of the equation preserves
many of the problems with the existing model.

-  lines provider also rents individual lines to ISPs
which they can use directly. Rent should be lower than
soft handover.

Now you¹ve got competition operating at a disadvantage to the
incumbent lines provider, preserving this aspect of the problems
with the current system. IMHO, this should be the only service
the lines provider is allowed to sell. In that way, the lines provider
is not in competition with its wholesale customers.

If you want examples of how well the model you propose tends to
work, look no further than the incredible problematic nature of MCI¹s
attempt to offer local phone service over Pacific Bell/SBC/AT&T
circuits.

This way ISPs can easily offer services. POTS over VoIP
can be setup on installation of the terminal (so
handover to the ISP is seamless). Finally business and
residential services can also be provided over the fibre
directly (this will be attractive to ISPs with many
ports, to reduce costs, and premium/business ISPs to add
control).

This is also true of dark fiber pairs, with the added advantage
that the service providers can differentiate themselves on
chosen technology, can offer innovative services and can
leverage existing infrastructure to deploy newer technologies as
they develop.


- ideally the lines provider would aid in providing cheap
backhaul from the co (while still allowing 3rd party
users to bring fibre in).

I don¹t think this is so ideal. Again, it creates an opportunity for
the lines provider to leverage their infrastructure in a way that it
can become a barrier to competition. This is, IMHO, the opposite
of good.

Wholesale mode. Doable.

Works best if the lines provider is not a service provider;
or regulation in your market ensures a service provider who
is also a lines provider is mandated to unbundle at
reasonable cost.

Even when mandated to unbundle at a reasonable cost, often
other games are played (trouble ticket for service billed by
lines provider resolved in a day, trouble ticket for service on
unbundled element resolved in 14 days, etc.).

IMHO, experience has taught us that the lines provider (or as I
prefer to call them, the Layer 1 infrastructure provider) must be
prohibited from playing at the higher layers.

Owen



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