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Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices
From: Julien Goodwin <nanog () studio442 com au>
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 20:37:54 +1100
On 04/04/14 17:29, Saku Ytti wrote:
On (2014-04-03 21:25 -0700), Will Orton wrote:There are commercially available NTP servers with GPS + Rb oscillators... for NTP use you could basically let it sync up a couple days, disconnect the GPS and let it freerun. You'd still be within a millisecond of GPS even after a couple years most likely. Reconnect it to GPS for a couple days every 1-2 years to resync it. More fun and cheaper to build your own I'd bet, if you had the time.Meinberg[0] pegs rubidium at ±8ms per year, if you need NTP to do say single direction backbone SLA measurement you want to have microsecond precision.
Those two statements don't go together. Also outside the HFTers most of us don't care about a few milliseconds (sure an extra 50ms can be a pain, but is trivial to measure). It's one thing to be a time-nut (I'm certainly one), but recognise that straight NTP, well deployed, even syncing from the pool is sufficient for nearly all use cases not needing sub-millisecond precision.
I think most GPS chipsets today do Glonass also, maybe it's partly because Russia has import sanctions for those who don't do, or maybe simply because it gives better user experience as sync is found earlier. But is there NTP product which you can configure to GPS-only mode or Glonass-only mode, which I think might be closer to Rob's idea of redundancy. As if you use both, 'poisoned' source would break all of your kit. But that is probably not easy to solve with two sources, if half is GPS and half is Glonass, and Glonass starts sending bad timing information, what do your NTP clients do, average to the middle? [0] http://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/specs/gpsopt.htm
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- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices, (continued)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Majdi S. Abbas (Apr 03)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Julien Goodwin (Apr 04)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices William F. Maton Sotomayor (Apr 04)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Berry Mobley (Apr 03)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Rob Seastrom (Apr 03)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Chris Adams (Apr 03)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Rob Seastrom (Apr 03)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices George Herbert (Apr 03)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Will Orton (Apr 03)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Saku Ytti (Apr 03)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Julien Goodwin (Apr 04)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Saku Ytti (Apr 04)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Julien Goodwin (Apr 04)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Saku Ytti (Apr 04)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Dan Drown (Apr 04)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Rob Seastrom (Apr 03)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices Majdi S. Abbas (Apr 03)
- Re: Recommendation on NTP appliances/devices bmanning (Apr 03)