Re: iOS 7 update traffic

[joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com>]

On 9/19/13 3:57 PM, Brandon Galbraith wrote:
> 1) Rate limit the software update download ("Us")
>
> 2) Have device OS download the update in the background, and be
> resilient to failures with retries ("Manufacturer")
>
> 3) Don't present the update notification to the user until the update
> blob is already cached on the device ("Manufacturer")

Even in this case, this comes down to a whole bunch of consumers going
to the general menu selecting software update and selecting check for
software update. So insuring that consumers don't have the opportunity
to retrieve something that they want when they want it would be part of
a solution. some large fraction of the devices will be soaking this up
over the next couple days rather than yesterday some won't get it for
quite some time.

Software distribution can handle this, they could have been pushing
unreleased software blobs for a couple weeks for example, as some steam
game launches do for example. But, if you support near instantanious
gratification then, when somebody asks for something, then you start
fulfilling it.


> Only in a perfect world though.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:49 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com
> <mailto:joelja () bogus com>> wrote:
>
>     On 9/19/13 3:29 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
>     > Your software updates (you meaning a user of the Internet) should
>     not affect my experience. I'm not advocating we go back to 5.25
>     floppies and never look back. I'm asking..
>     >
>     > Is there a way for a COMPUTER and PHONE manufacturer to distribute
>     their software without destroying most last mile connectivity?
>     >
>     > Who else has had traffic surges like this?
>
>     Flash traffic occurs, sometimes people fly planes into things, sometimes
>     nuclear reactors melt down, earthquakes or hurricanes occur  or cables
>     are segmented due to underwater landslides. and what infrastructure that
>     is left shifts abruptly from terrestrial to sattelite or gets droppped
>     on the floor. the best you can ask for on an instantanious basis is
>     graceful degredation under load.
>
>     this happens to not be weather.so maybe you can do something about it.
>     but ultimately a certain number of bytes have to be transfered and given
>     the architecture, the flash was driven by the consumer and not by
>     software automation, if we want the later to control it consumer choice
>     has to be taken out of the loop, which may or may not be palatable.
>
>     > And who else has a Nanog strike team coming in screaming buy more
>     bandwidth? ;)
>     >
>     >
>     > Sent from my Mobile Device.
>     >
>     >
>     > -------- Original message --------
>     > From: Ryan Harden <hardenrm () uchicago edu
>     <mailto:hardenrm () uchicago edu>>
>     > Date: 09/19/2013 3:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
>     > To: Jeroen van Aart <jeroen () mompl net <mailto:jeroen () mompl net>>
>     > Cc: "<nanog () nanog org <mailto:nanog () nanog org>>" <nanog () nanog org
>     <mailto:nanog () nanog org>>
>     > Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > On Sep 19, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Jeroen van Aart <jeroen () mompl net
>     <mailto:jeroen () mompl net>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> On 09/19/2013 12:06 PM, Ryan Harden wrote:
>     >>> As a side note, how are some of you not aware of this? This has
>     happened with every single Apple OS update since the iPhone was
>     released in 2007.
>     >>
>     >> The difference is there are now a "couple" more million devices
>     out there than there were in 2007. And in 2007 there was just the
>     one phone, now you have tablets and what have you.
>     >
>     > The effect has been relatively the same regardless of how many
>     iDevices there are. Network Operators have seen spikes during Apple
>     OS releases since they started. The only leeway I'll give you is
>     that the original iPhone only supported 802.11b. With .11n and
>     someday .11ac, the ability for these devices to consume data at a
>     faster rate is also increasing.
>     >
>     >>
>     >>> This isn't a new phenomenon. I realize some of you are too cool
>     for Apple
>     >>
>     >> Lame low ball remark, however I thought it was the opposite,
>     Apple==coolness?
>     >
>     > This was in no way meant to be a lowball remark. But it doesn't
>     take much searching to find people exclaiming how they have zero
>     Apple devices or how they don't pay attention to Apple's "iJunk". I
>     assumed (probably mistakenly) that the lack of knowing this is going
>     to happen roughly 2-3 times a year was due to being 'too cool' to
>     keep up with the stuff Apple puts out.
>     >
>     >>
>     >> Regards,
>     >> Jeroen
>     >>
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