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Re: Internet Surveillance and Boomerang Routing: A Call for Canadian Network Sovereignty


From: joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com>
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:29:34 -0700

On 9/9/13 7:43 AM, Jason Lixfeld wrote:
That notwithstanding, it's stupid to send traffic to/from one of the
large $your_region/country incumbents via $not_your_region/country.
It's just not good Internet. 

yyz-yvr is faster via the united states. physics doesn't respect
poltical boundries.

 You make enough money already.  Be a
good netizen.  It pays more in the long run and that's all you're
really after for your shareholders anyway, right?

On 2013-09-08, at 11:54 AM, Derek Andrew <Derek.Andrew () usask ca>
wrote:

The topic of Canadian network sovereignty has been part of the
Canadian conscience since the failure of CANNET back in the 1970s.

Canadians citizens, on Canadian soil, already supply feeds directly
to the NSA. Rerouting Internet traffic would make no difference.







On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Paul Ferguson
<fergdawgster () mykolab com>wrote:


A Canadian ISP colleague of mine suggested that the NANOG
constituency might be interested in this, given some recent
'revelations', so I forward it here for you perusal.



"Preliminary analysis of more than 25,000 traceroutes reveals a 
phenomenon we call ‘boomerang routing’ whereby
Canadian-to-Canadian internet transmissions are routinely routed
through the United States. Canadian originated transmissions that
travel to a Canadian destination via a U.S. switching centre or
carrier are subject to U.S. law - including the USA Patriot Act
and FISAA. As a result, these transmissions expose Canadians to
potential U.S. surveillance activities – a violation of Canadian
network sovereignty."


http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/media_law_prof_blog/2013/09/routing-internet-transmission-across-the-canada-us-border-and-us-surveillance-activities.html



Cheers,

- ferg


-- Paul Ferguson Vice President, Threat Intelligence Internet
Identity, Tacoma, Washington  USA IID --> "Connect and
Collaborate" --> www.internetidentity.com




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