Re: huawei

[Phil Fagan <philfagan () gmail com>]

What protocols have empty space in the headers whereby I can add my
'message' and send it along with legit traffic? I would think most all..


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:

> What protocol is a DPI vector?  In what way is making a router even
> remotely efficient as a method of end to end covert communication? There
> are thousands (if not millions) of ways for two hosts to exchange data
> without it being detectable that's much faster and cheaper than involving
> the network infrastructure.
>
> Kill switches and secret back doors are all feasible but the rest of this
> is fantasy.
> On Jun 13, 2013 10:05 PM, "Michael Thomas" <mike () mtcc com> wrote:
>
> > On 06/13/2013 06:57 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
> >
> > > What you're describing is a command and control channel unless you're
> > > suggesting that the router itself had the capacity to somehow discern
> that.
> > >   That's the problem with all the pixie dust theories.  The router
> can't,
> > > it doesn't know who the rebels are much less their net block ahead of
> time.
> > > Something has to pass rules to the box to be able trigger off of.
> > I think you're misunderstanding: the router is watching traffic and gives
> > clues
> > that "we're gassing the rebels" that was added to all of the  DPI vectors
> > which get surreptitiously added to the other DPI terms unbeknownst to the
> > owner and sent back to the attacker. That's enormously powerful. All it
> > takes
> > is sufficient money and motivation. Is this speculative? Of course -- I'm
> > not
> > a spook. Is it possible? You bet.
> >
> > Mike



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