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Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth
From: Jason Baugher <jason () thebaughers com>
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:13:38 -0600
Sorry Owen, but I live in Illinois. Government corruption is a way of life here. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
On Jan 30, 2013, at 6:33 AM, Jason Baugher <jason () thebaughers com> wrote:There is much talk of how many fibers can fit in a duct, can be brought into a colo space, etc... I haven't seen much mention of how much spacethetermination in the colo would take, such as splice trays, bulkheads,etc...Someone earlier mentioned being able to have millions of fibers coming through a vault, which is true assuming they are just passing through the vault. When you need to break into one of those 864-fiber cables, theroomfor splice cases suddenly becomes a problem. The other thing I find interesting about this entire thread is the assumption by most that a government entity would do a good job as a layer-1 or -2 provider and would be more efficient than a privatecompany.Governments, including municipalities, are notorious for corruption,fraud,waste - you name it. Even when government bids out projects to theprivatesector these problems are seen.I now this is a popular refrain, but in reality, it's not all that accurate. I have no problem with allowing L1/L2 to be done by private enterprise, so long as said private enterprises are required to abide by the following rules: 1. They are not allowed to sell L3+ services. 2. They are not allowed to own any portion of any L3+ service provider. 3. They must sell their L1/L2 services to any L3+ service provider on equal terms. Owen
Current thread:
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth, (continued)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jay Ashworth (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Owen DeLong (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jay Ashworth (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth joel jaeggli (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jason Baugher (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth joel jaeggli (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Owen DeLong (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Art Plato (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jean-Francois Mezei (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Owen DeLong (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jason Baugher (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Eric Brunner-Williams (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth John Levine (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jay Ashworth (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Owen DeLong (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jean-Francois Mezei (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Owen DeLong (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jay Ashworth (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jay Ashworth (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jay Ashworth (Jan 29)