Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not have IPv6 in their applications"....

[joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com>]

On 11/28/12 4:17 PM, Dobbins, Roland wrote:
> On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:04 AM, Tony Hain wrote:
>
> > Getting the cpe vendors to ship in quantity requires the ISP engineering organizations to say in unison "we are deploying 
> > IPv6 and will only recommend products that pass testing".
> Do you see any evidence of that occurring?  I don't.
>
> Also, a lot of broadband consumers and enterprise organizations buy and deploy their own CPE.  Do you see a lot of IPv6 
> activity there?
As a product of having a motorola sb6121 and a netgear wndr3700 both of 
which I bought at frys I have ipv6 in my house with dhcp pd curtesy of 
commcast. If it was any simpler somebody else would have had to install it.
>   I don't, excepting an IPv6 RFP checkbox for enterprises, which doesn't have any formal requirements and is 
> essentially meaningless because of that fact.
> > You claim to be looking for the economic incentive, but are looking with such a short time horizon that all you see are the 
> > 'waste' products vendors
> > are pushing to make a quick sale, knowing that you will eventually come back for yet-another-hack to delay transition, 
> > and prop up your expertise in a
> > legacy technology.
> No.
>
> What I am looking for is an economic incentive which will justify the [IMHO] wildly overoptimisitic claims which some 
> are making in re ubiquitous end-to-end native IPv6 deployment.
>
> Otherwise, I believe it will be a much more gradual adoption curve, as you indicate.
>
> > The same thing happened with the SNA faithful 15 years ago, and history shows what happened there.
> You attribute circumstances and motivations to me which do not apply.
>
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>
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>
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