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Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth
From: Dave Crocker <dhc2 () dcrocker net>
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 08:23:48 -0800
On 1/29/2013 7:59 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
----- Original Message -----From: "Rob McEwen" <rob () invaluement com>(C) The fact that the Internet is a series of PRIVATE networks... NOT owned/operated by the Feds... is a large reason why the 4th amendment provides such protections... it becomes somewhat of a "firewall" of protection against Federal gov't trampling of civil liberties... but if they own the network, then that opens up many doors for them.Regular readers know that I'm really big on municipally owned fiber networks (at layer 1 or 2)... but I'm also a big constitutionalist (on the first, second, fourth, and fifth, particularly), and this is the first really good counter-argument I've seen, and it honestly hadn't occurred to me. Rob, anyone, does anyone know if any 4th amendment case law exists on muni- owned networks?
The challenge, here, is a classic 'natural monopoly' concern/argument. I don't know the right answer, here, but I think the frame for discussing it has a long history.
d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
Current thread:
- Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jay Ashworth (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Dave Crocker (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Rob McEwen (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jay Ashworth (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Scott Brim (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Owen DeLong (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Jay Ashworth (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni network ownership and the Fourth Leo Bicknell (Jan 29)
- Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Jay Ashworth (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Zachary Giles (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Miles Fidelman (Jan 29)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Mikael Abrahamsson (Jan 30)
- Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Leo Bicknell (Jan 29)
- Muni fiber: L1 or L2? Jay Ashworth (Jan 29)