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Re: Followup: Small City Municipal Broadband


From: Brandon Ross <bross () pobox com>
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 18:14:56 -0500 (EST)

On Sat, 2 Feb 2013, Jay Ashworth wrote:

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From: "Brandon Ross" <bross () pobox com>

6) And pursuant to 3, perhaps I could even set up the IPTV service and
resell that to the L3 provider to bundle with their IP service, so
they don't have to do it themselves; while it's not a difficult as I
had gathered, it's still harder than them doing VoIP as part of
their own triple-play.

So you are going to prohibit the operator of the fiber plant from
running layer 3 services, but then turn around and let them offer IPTV? That
seems quite inconsistent to me. And just because it's "hard"?

No; I wouldn't offer it retail; I'd offer it to all provider-comers
wholesale, at cost plus, just like everything else.

It sure seems like just pushing the competition (or lack thereof) up the stack.

Running a decent layer 3 service is "hard" too. Isn't the whole point to
let these service providers compete with each other on the quality and
cost of their services?

You could say the same thing about the uplink,

Which uplink is that?  I'm a little confused.

though; I note you didn't throw a flag at that, or at Akamai; is the IPTV issue different to you?

If you were to open your colo to all comers that have similar models to Akamai, that seems fair. After all, it's not the city selling Akamai services to either the ISPs or end-users, the city is just providing a convenient way for the providers that are there to interconnect with content providers that care to show up.

Now if you were to encourage an IPTV services provider that WASN'T the city to co-locate at the facility, that seems reasonable as long as terms were even if another one wanted to show up. I could imagine that some might sell service direct retail, others might go wholesale with one of the other service providers. Maybe both?

This whole thing is the highway analogy to me. The fiber is the road. The city MIGHT build a rest stop (layer 2), but shouldn't be allowed to either be in the trucking business (layer 3), nor in the business of manufacturing the products that get shipped over the road (IPTV, VOIP, etc.), and the same should apply to the company that maintains the fiber, if it's outsourced.

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