Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband

[Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>]

Fletcher,

Your specific case may vary, but I am most certainly _not_ "making stuff
up".  In many territories, especially outside of major metro areas, you
cannot order dry pairs.  This has been because of a combination of relaxed
rules (if you really want I can dig up the NTCA reports on this) and
because the rules never required the ILEC to add capacity once they were
used up.


On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Fletcher Kittredge <fkittred () gwi net> wrote:

> In this particular post, your making stuff up.   There are still
> "residential focused" CLECs and ordering Unbundled Network Elements(UNEs)
> is not more difficult than in the past.   The rules haven't changed.
>
> What is certainly true is that many CLECs have found that it is more
> lucrative to sell to businesses, but I don't think there is a correlation
> with residential getting more difficult.   We used to be 75%/25%
> residential/business and are now 45%/55% business, but that reflects the
> *rapid* growth of the business market.
>
> regards,
> Fletcher
>
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:
>
> > Joe,
> >
> > I'm assuming from your domain that you're in Canada where yes dry pairs
> > are
> > still generally available.  I apologize for not making it clear that my
> > comment was specifically about the US where dry pairs are nearly
> > impossible
> > to order today and the CLEC market has almost entirely abandoned the
> > residential space. In fact, the only state in the US that I still see any
> > residentially focused CLECs is Texas which tells me there is something
> > about the regulations in that state that makes it more feasible.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Joe Abley <jabley () hopcount ca> wrote:
> >
> > > On 2013-02-03, at 14:39, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dry pairs are impossible to order these days for a reason.
> > >
> > > Dry pairs are trivial to order round these parts. Generalisations are
> > > always wrong, no doubt including this one.
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe (putting the N back in NANOG)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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