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Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?


From: Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:53:04 -0500

On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Leo Bicknell <bicknell () ufp org> wrote:

In a message written on Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 10:17:24PM -0500, Scott Helms
wrote:
Here's the thing, over the time frame your describing you're probably
going
to have to look at more fiber runs just because of growth in areas that
you
didn't build for before.  Even if you nail the total growth of homes and
businesses in your area your chances of getting both the numbers right
_and_ the locations are pretty slim. Also, you're going to have to
replace
gear no matter where it is core or nodes on a ring.  Granted gear that
lives in a CO can be less expensive but its not that much of a difference
(~1% of gear costs).  Having a ring topology is basically the best way
we've come up with as of yet to hedge your bets, especially since you can
extend your ring when you need.

I'm not sure I understand your growth argument; both models will
require additional build costs for growth to the network, and I
think they roughly parallel the tradeoff's we've been discussing.


Yes, but the reason why a ring with nodes is often the
better architecture is because while both situations require more fiber to
accomidate growth in areas that didn't previously have customers the
distance from $new_area to existing ring is going to be shorter almost
invariably than the distance from $new_area to CO.  This matters not only
from the stand point of it costs a certain amount per mile to bury or hang
fiber but also because of right of ways and other hurdles that involve
getting from point A to point B.



As for the gear, I agree that the cost per port for the equipment
providing service (Ethernet switch, GPON bits, WDM mux, whatever)
is likely to be roughly similar in a CO and in the field.  There's
not a huge savings on the gear itself.

But I would strongly disagree the overall costs, and services are
similar.  Compare a single CO of equipment to a network with 150
pedistals of active gear around a city.  The CO can have one
generator, and one battery bank.  Most providers don't even put
generator with each pedistal, and must maintain separate battery
banks for each.  A single CO could relatively cheaply have 24x7x356
hands to correct problems and swap equipment, where as the distributed
network will add drive time to the equation and require higher
staffing and greater costs (like the truck and fuel).


Absolutely, getting a separate power meter for each enclosure, dealing with
batteries there, and just remote gear all increases operational costs and
the more nodes you have the greater that cost will be.




Geography is a huge factor though.  My concept of home running all fiber
would be an extremely poor choice for extremely rural, low density
networks.  Your ring choice would be much, much better.  On the flip
side, in a high density world, say downtown NYC, my dark fiber to the
end user network is far cheaper than building super-small rings and
maintaining the support gear for the equipment (generators and
batteries, if you can get space for them in most buildings).

Still, I think direct dark fiber has lower lifecycle costs for 70-80% of
the population living in cities and suburban areas.


This is where the math gets hard and the specifics of each situation
dictate what you need to do.  IF you know precisely what your service area
can be and that area is already densely populated then you're probably
going to be able to cover all of that area with a single build.  Downtown
NYC is a scenario I'd completely agree with since you probably would also
struggle trying to find places to install enclosures and you have a very
tightly defined area that is densely populated today.  I'd also say that
this is not the normal muni network in the US today, since generally
speaking muni networks spring up where the local area is poorly served by
commercial operators.



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