Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN

["Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva () cisco com>]

> I don't doubt that dual-stack home networks will be with us for a long
> time.
> What won't be with us for very long is routing IPv4 across service
> providers.
> It can't. It will become far too expensive to do so. The economics
> aren't going
> to work much past about 5 years, maybe 10 if we're really unlucky.

Of course. :)

Cheers,

Rajiv

-----Original Message-----
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 12:01 AM
To: Rajiv Asati <rajiva () cisco com>
Cc: Fabien Delmotte <fdelmotte1 () mac com>, nanog list <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN

> On Apr 8, 2013, at 20:23 , "Rajiv Asati (rajiva)" <rajiva () cisco com>
> wrote:
>
> > I agree. Apple does it really well, no doubt about it. This is because
> > they control both the software and hardware.
> >
> > Google/Android çan not do it well enough, since the Android OS version
> > compatibility with the hardware is somewhat dictated by the hardware
> > manufacturer. This isn't always helpful. :-(
>
> But they can actually push pretty well if they had some killer app. that
> everyone
> used and could supply some update that nobody could live without on said
> killer app.
>
> Then you just need to flag said update as "requires Android version X" and
> poof... All the pressure you need to get everyone running droid up to X.
> (Including all the pressure needed to get consumers to push the device
> maker.)
>
> >      For ex, there are numerous android apps that are not supported
> >      on many android devices. :=(
>
> They must not be very important to the bulk of the android users.
>
> > Anyway, this is why I think that dual-stack home networks (and UEs) will
> > be with us for a long time.
>
> I don't doubt that dual-stack home networks will be with us for a long
> time.
> What won't be with us for very long is routing IPv4 across service
> providers.
> It can't. It will become far too expensive to do so. The economics aren't
> going
> to work much past about 5 years, maybe 10 if we're really unlucky.
>
>
> Owen
>
> > Cheers,
> > Rajiv
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
> > Date: Monday, April 8, 2013 8:52 PM
> > To: Rajiv Asati <rajiva () cisco com>
> > Cc: Fabien Delmotte <fdelmotte1 () mac com>, nanog list <nanog () nanog org>
> > Subject: Re: Verizon DSL moving to CGN
> >
> > > On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:54 , Rajiv Asati (rajiva) <rajiva () cisco com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Like you, I would like to be optimistic about many v4-only apps and
> > > > v4-only devices becoming dual-stack sooner than later.
> > > >
> > > > But knowing that a significant (50%+) of android devices may not
> > > > support
> > > > IPv6 (just like my brand new Samsung Galaxy 7'' tablet (just bought
> > > > over
> > > > the weekend) being v4-only) and may not be upgraded by their users to
> > > > the
> > > > right software, and that Skype etc. apps are out there, my optimism
> > > > fades
> > > > away.
> > >
> > > The upgrade problem isn't that hard to solve. As soon as users want to
> > > use
> > > something that doesn't work without the upgrade, the upgrades get
> > > installed.
> > >
> > > Apple does a great job of this...
> > >
> > > Every time they release an iOS upgrade I really don't want, they
> > > manage to
> > > also release an update to software that I do care about. That software
> > > update
> > > inherently requires me to accept the iOS upgrade.
> > >
> > > Owen