Re: IPv6 Ignorance

[Justin Wilson <lists () mtin net>]

        Very good points. Having been in the WISP industry for more than 10 years
now. I know WISPs who have thousands of customers and only 1 or 2 class C
addresses.  The need for public routable IP addresses is not that much of
a concern for them.  Plus, a good majority of WISP equipment does not
support IPV6. 

        Sure a WISP is technically an ISP but, like Faisal says, its a much
different business.

        Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: Faisal Imtiaz <faisal () snappydsl net>
Reply-To: <Faisal () snappydsl net>
Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:29 PM
To: <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: IPv6 Ignorance

> Let me shed some light here..... (Being familiar with both
> communities... Nanog and WISP's )
>
> WISP's are a very special breed of folks.  There are a few common
> attributes  that one has to recognize about them.
> 1. Most WISP's are not Technical Folks. (Most of them are Farmers or
> from other totally non-technical fields).
> 2. Most of them became operators not because they wanted to or it made
> business sense. but simply because there was not Service available in
> that area.
> 3. They are very hardworking, innovative group, but at the same time
> they are also a bit on the 'eccentric' side when comes to technology,
> and understanding technology.
> 4. Most of them have outsourced folks managing their networks. (these
> folks are very qualified and familiar with networking)
>
> So, in contrast, while  NANOG community is full of folks who develop /
> write RFC's for Global networks, WISP community is mostly Rural folks
> who were forced to 'piece a network' together because no-one would serve
> them....
>
> Don't be alarmed by the discussion on UBNT list or any other WISP
> list.....Most WISP's are typically very small network operators (sub 500
> subscribers, there are some large ones too but their opinions and
> technical understanding is very different.) and tend to setup their
> network the 'Easy way'.... You will find them to be  about the very last
> folks to adapt IPv6...(to make my case and point .... A lot of them are
> still running Bridge Networks, and just starting to convert to Routed
> Networks). They are not known for Leading Edge network operators with
> the exception of when it comes to 'Wireless Radios'.
>
> A lot of them are very comfortable with using Private IP's and NAT to
> provide service to their customers.
>
> Worry about them .... No need.
> Need for Education on IPv6 ... Absolutely Yes.... We all can use as much
> as we can get.
> And, we all are also hampered by IPv6 support / or lack of it, from the
> equipment mfg. that we are using in our networks.
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
> On 9/16/2012 1:43 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > On 9/16/12 9:55 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > > I came across these threads today; the blind ignorance towards IPv6
> > > from
> > > some of the posters is kind of shocking. It's also pretty disappointing
> > > if these are the people providing internet access to end users. We
> > > focus
> > > our worries on the big guys like AT&T going IPv6 (which I'm sure but
> > > they're slow), but these small operators are a much bigger problem.
> > >
> > > http://forum.ubnt.com/showthread.php?p=355722
> > >
> > > http://forum.ubnt.com/showthread.php?t=53779
> > It was brought to my attention that the second link isn't open to the
> > public, sorry about that, I forgot to check them in a separate browser.
> > The attitudes are the same though.
> >
> > ~Seth