RE: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

["Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund () medline com>]

Well, in that case....  I am really worried that the cops might charge
me with a crime.  They took my computers and are looking at them.  I did
not do anything wrong but just in case they decide to charge me with a
crime, please send me some money.


Thanks,

Steven Naslund

-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Bailey [mailto:wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com] 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 4:12 PM
To: Naslund, Steve; NANOG list
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node.
Please help if you can.

When is the last time you were arrested, or even in a legal situation
which required your attention as a defendant? It seems pretty straight
forward, but I can assure you this guy is getting very little sleep and
his heart is beating out of his chest. Granted this entire situation is
taking place in a legal venue which I have no understanding of (The EU
obviously does things differently). I think it was pretty risky to
consider running a Tor node, much less being involved in running
multiple nodes. This entire situation is beginning to read like a Kim
DotCom (or Schmitz for those of us who worked for him at some point)
novel, where an outside force directed a local LEA to perform some kind
of raid to get someone's attention. This was obviously not a helicopter
raid with SWAT, ala RapidShare, but I hope you get the point. This guy
is sweating bullets because he has no idea what is going to happen next
(in my humble opinion), so his rational thought process and/or even
discussing when he will return the funds donated is a pre-mature at
best.

Just my .02.

On 11/30/12 1:30 PM, "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund () medline com> wrote:

> WAIT A SECOND HERE!?!?
>
> I just read below that this guy runs a large ISP in Austria.  I thought

> his Tor node was hosted with an external provider.  If he runs the ISP,

> why would he not host his own server in house?  I suppose there are 
> reasons but I can't think of one, especially if you feel so strongly 
> about this being your right.
>
> He talks about moving it to another ISP in the article interviewing
him.
> How about moving it to the large ISP you run?
>
> If he runs a large ISP he must not be very good at it if he needs our 
> donations to help him defend himself from a crime he has not been 
> charged with yet.  Most of the guys I know that run large ISPs have 
> legal guys available to them.  They could also come up with 10000EUR if

> necessary.
>
> What is he going to do with this money if no charges are filed and they

> give his gear back?  If he believes that he is innocent of any crime 
> then he should be confident they won't find anything to charge him 
> with, right?
>
> > > If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not

> > > want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running 
> > > Tor
>
> > > exit nodes in Austria or even the EU.
>
> Six years in jail for what?  They didn't arrest you yet.  How do you 
> know what the charges are?  The cops must not be too worried about the 
> Tor node if they did not seize it.  They seem a lot more interested in 
> his personal storage devices.  He seems to have a lot of data at home, 
> not illegal (possibly) but I am wondering what it all might be.  The 
> cops have a lot of looking around ahead of them.  Seems awful worried 
> for a guy who claims to be innocent.  I am wondering why he seems so 
> sure he will be charged that he is building a legal defense fund before

> being arrested.
>
>
> > > Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this 
> > > case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good
> lawyer.
> > > Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect 
> > > to
>
> > > be around 5000-10000 EUR.
>
> So you know how much it costs to defend a case with unknown charges and

> without knowing if you will be arrested yet?!?!?!
>
> This whole thing sounds flakier with every new detail.
>
> Steven Naslund
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eugen Leitl [mailto:eugen () leitl org]
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:25 AM
> To: NANOG list
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node.
> Please help if you can.
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Asad Haider <asad () asadhaider co uk> -----
>
> From: Asad Haider <asad () asadhaider co uk>
> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:37:24 +0000
> To: tor-talk () lists torproject org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node.
>       Please help if you can.
> Reply-To: tor-talk () lists torproject org
>
> William will be posting a statement soon which will explain everything 
> that's happened and give a detailed account of events, along with 
> evidence including pictures showing the aftermath of the raid in his 
> apartment, as well as copies of the warrant and inventory of seized 
> items.
>
> He runs a large ISP in Austria and is a well respected member of the 
> community, a lot of us have already sent in donations.
>
> His blog is https://rdns.im/ and I'm guessing the statement will be 
> posted on there, I'll send everyone a link once it's finished being 
> written.
>
> On 29 November 2012 19:22, Eugen Leitl <eugen () leitl org> wrote:
>
> > ----- Forwarded message from Emily Ozols <wingar () team-metro net> 
> > -----
> >
> > From: Emily Ozols <wingar () team-metro net>
> > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 01:14:08 +1100
> > To: nanog () nanog org
> > Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please
> help if
> >         you can.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I gotta ask and I'm sure someone would if I didn't, but how do we 
> > know
>
> > this guy is legit?
> > He's jumped up on a forum saying, "Hey, police raided me, help. gib 
> > mone plz" and failed to provide and reason as to how he's real and 
> > not
>
> > just making it up.
> >
> > Maybe if there's a way to know this guy is legit, I'll help out if 
> > possible, but until then I'm just going to watch others with caution 
> > and I suggest others do as well.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Chris <caldcv () gmail com> wrote:
> > > I'm not William and a friend pasted a link on IRC to me. I'm going 
> > > to send him a few bucks because I know how it feels to get 
> > > blindsided by the police on one random day and your world is turned
> upside down.
> > > Source:
> > http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-ex
> > i t-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses
> > > From the URL:
> > >
> > > Yes, it happened to me now as well - Yesterday i got raided for 
> > > someone sharing child pornography over one of my Tor exits.
> > > I'm good so far, not in jail, but all my computers and hardware 
> > > have
>
> > > been confiscated.
> > > (20 computers, 100TB+ storage, My Tablets/Consoles/Phones)
> > >
> > > If convicted i could face up to 6 years in jail, of course i do not

> > > want that and i also want to try to set a legal base for running 
> > > Tor
>
> > > exit nodes in Austria or even the EU.
> > >
> > > Sadly we have nothing like the EFF here that could help me in this 
> > > case by legal assistance, so i'm on my own and require a good
> lawyer.
> > > Thus i'm accepting donations for my legal expenses which i expect 
> > > to
>
> > > be around 5000-10000 EUR.
> > >
> > > If you can i would appreciate if you could donate a bit (every 
> > > amount helps, even the smallest) either by PayPal (any currency is
> ok):
> > >
> > https://paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=2Q4L
> > Z
> > NBBD7EH4
> > > Or by Bank Transfer (EUR only please):
> > >
> > > Holder: William Weber
> > > Bank: EasyBank AG (Vienna, Austria)
> > > Account: 20011351213
> > > Bank sort number: 14200
> > > IBAN: AT031420020011351213
> > > BIC: EASYATW1
> > >
> > > I will try to pay them back when i'm out of this (or even before) 
> > > but i can obviously not guarantee this, please keep this in mind.
> > > This money will only be used for legal expenses related to this
> case.
> > > If you have any questions or want to donate by another way 
> > > (MoneyBookers, Webmoney, Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, Neteller) feel 
> > > free to send me a mail (william () william si) or a PM, or contact me 
> > > in LET IRC.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > William
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > --C
> > >
> > > "The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going 
> > > to be when you kill them." - Sir William Clayton
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~Em
> >
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