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RE: EBAY and AMAZON
From: Jamie Bowden <jamie () photon com>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:19:52 +0000
From: Michael R. Wayne [mailto:wayne () staff msen com]
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:44:44AM +0000, Jamie Bowden wrote:
While MS may be a favorite whipping boy, let's not pretend that if the dominant OS were Apple or some flavor of *nix, things would be any better.
There is an inherent advantage for anything based upon *BSD. It was developed in an evironment where in order to continue to operate it was required to defend itself against many users who wished to exploit the O/S. Windows, being designed for a single-user environment, made a number of design decisions which directly conflict with security.
I've been running FBSD since 1994, so I'm well aware of the development model, thanks. The *BSDs and Linux have all had their share of holes in them and more still continue to be found. The only thing saving them is lack of market share. Apple's increasing market share is a nice demonstration of this at work. As far as securing Windows, it can be done, and done well, but it requires policy enforcement at the hardware and personnel level, and that doesn't change no matter what OS you're running. I have hardened Windows systems, and they are no more of a pain the ass to use than the hardened *nix systems. When DSS is done with them, all OS's suck to use. Jamie
Current thread:
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON, (continued)
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON Kain, Rebecca (.) (Jun 11)
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON Blake Pfankuch (Jun 11)
- Re: EBAY and AMAZON Joel Esler (Jun 11)
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON Keith Medcalf (Jun 11)
- Re: EBAY and AMAZON Robert Hajime Lanning (Jun 12)
- Re: EBAY and AMAZON Rich Kulawiec (Jun 12)
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON Blake Pfankuch (Jun 11)
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON Hal Murray (Jun 11)
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON Keith Medcalf (Jun 11)
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON Jamie Bowden (Jun 12)
- Re: EBAY and AMAZON Michael R. Wayne (Jun 12)
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON Jamie Bowden (Jun 12)
- Re: EBAY and AMAZON Gary Buhrmaster (Jun 12)
- Re: EBAY and AMAZON Barry Shein (Jun 13)
- Re: EBAY and AMAZON Dave Hart (Jun 13)
- Re: EBAY and AMAZON Barry Shein (Jun 13)
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON Keith Medcalf (Jun 13)
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON Keith Medcalf (Jun 11)
- RE: EBAY and AMAZON Kain, Rebecca (.) (Jun 11)
- Re: EBAY and AMAZON Rich Kulawiec (Jun 13)
- vulnerability and popularity (was: EBAY and AMAZON) Andrew Sullivan (Jun 13)
- Re: vulnerability and popularity (was: EBAY and AMAZON) Aled Morris (Jun 13)
- Re: vulnerability and popularity (was: EBAY and AMAZON) Owen DeLong (Jun 13)
- Re: EBAY and AMAZON Doug Barton (Jun 13)