Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

[Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>]

On Sep 17, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> > All of the speculation and comment on this thread has been something
> > to watch, but, it's not actually all that accurate.
> >
> > https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four2
> >
> > NRPM 4.2 provides several ways in which an ISP can qualify for space
> >
> > As has been mentioned in this thread, efficiently using a PA
> > allocation
> > from an upstream provider is one such mechanism. (4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.2).
> >
> > However, if you can show an immediate need for a /22 or more within
> > the next 30 days (not particularly hard if you are building an ISP),
> > you
> > can qualify under 4.2.1.6 without any prior utilization.
> >
> > I know of a number of ISPs that have obtained their initial
> > allocations in
> > this manner.
> >
> > Owen
>
> I have a small ISP customer who is not multi-homed, and is using about a /21 and a half of space, and is expanding. 
> Their upstream is refusing to give them more space, so they wanted to get their own, and give back the space to the 
> upstream, with the possible exception of a small block for their servers, which would be very difficult to renumber. 
> We explained this all, and the response we got from ARIN was that we needed to have a full /20 from the upstream, at 
> which time we could easily get a /20 of new space. In order to qualify for the immediate need, we would need to show 
> need for the entire /20, of which we would need to fully utilize (renumber into) within 30 days. That is not even 
> remotely possible.

Or, they could easily multihome and qualify at a much smaller threshold.

> The problem with this whole thing is that I have no less than 4 ISPs that are in almost the same boat.

Then propose a policy change to rectify it.

Owen