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Re: quietly....
From: Blake Dunlap <ikiris () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 11:59:24 -0600
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:38, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 18:14:00 EST, david raistrick said:Er. That's not news. That's been the state of the art for what, 15+ years or so now? SIP (because it's peer to peer) and P2P are really the only things that actually give a damn about it."It's client/server unless it's peer-to-peer" is almost a tautology, you know...
The argument is specious anyway, as many existing protocols that should by all rights be peer to peer, are forced to use HTTP to a server that someone has to pay for (and it isn't the guy running NAT) due to the brokenness of the internet. Those 65k ports were not meant solely for client random connects to port 80. Why an instant message client even would use the far over bloated HTTP to some 3rd party that shouldn't be privy to the packets anyway for the purpose is an example of what we've been reduced to. Trying to ask for examples of things that are broken by NAT or have not been implemented due to it, after it has been the standard for many years, and then using arguments that they work over NAT to counter it, ignoring the fact that someone had to invest a lot of money and time (again, not the NAT users) in being able to do that, is amazing to me. It's like asking for people that have died hungry to come speak out against hunger, and claiming that clearly it isn't a problem, when they don't show up. -Blake
Current thread:
- Re: quietly...., (continued)
- Re: quietly.... Jack Bates (Feb 04)
- RE: quietly.... George Bonser (Feb 04)
- Re: quietly.... Jack Bates (Feb 04)
- Re: quietly.... Owen DeLong (Feb 04)
- Re: quietly.... Owen DeLong (Feb 04)
- Re: quietly.... Jack Bates (Feb 05)
- RE: quietly.... Lee Howard (Feb 06)
- Re: quietly.... isabel dias (Feb 06)
- Re: quietly.... Owen DeLong (Feb 06)
- Re: quietly.... Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 04)
- Re: quietly.... Blake Dunlap (Feb 04)
- Re: quietly.... Jay Ashworth (Feb 04)
- Re: quietly.... Jack Bates (Feb 03)
- Re: quietly.... david raistrick (Feb 03)
- Failure modes: NAT vs SPI Jay Ashworth (Feb 03)
- Re: Failure modes: NAT vs SPI Iljitsch van Beijnum (Feb 03)
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- Re: Failure modes: NAT vs SPI Iljitsch van Beijnum (Feb 07)
- Re: Failure modes: NAT vs SPI Owen DeLong (Feb 07)
- Re: Failure modes: NAT vs SPI Lamar Owen (Feb 10)
- Re: Failure modes: NAT vs SPI Owen DeLong (Feb 10)
- Re: Failure modes: NAT vs SPI Joel Jaeggli (Feb 10)