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Re: What vexes VoIP users?
From: Jameel Akari <jakari () bithose com>
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:03:01 -0500 (EST)
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011, Leigh Porter wrote:
On 28 Feb 2011, at 18:37, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:29:08 EST, Bret Clark said:On 02/28/2011 01:17 PM, Leigh Porter wrote:VoIP at the last mile is just too niche at the moment. It's for people on this list, not my mother.Baloney...if that was the case, then all these ILEC's wouldn't be whining about POT's lines decreasing exponentially year over year!I do believe that the ILEC's are mostly losing POTS lines to cell phones, not to VoIP. I myself have a cell phone but no POTS service at my home address. On the other hand, I *am* seeing a metric ton of Vonage and Magic Jack ads on TV these days - if VoIP is "too niche", how are those two making any money?
It's more cellphones than VoIP or cable provider services, but the latter two are still eating POTS' lunch in the US - even if you don't count something like FiOS where Verizon tears out your copper POTS and moves your line to their ONC.
It is quite a different market here. I can get POTS services over the same copper from, I'd say, about 5 different companies. Maybe more, I have not counted. I guess the competition already available on the copper would largely preclude anything but the cheapest VoIP service.
Sounds very different indeed. In the US, it's basically "your local Ma Bell derivative, or something not-POTs." Anecodtally, as of this morning we just dropped one of our POTS lines for the cable company's alternative. Cost dropped from $69/mo to $29/mo right there.
With say, Verizon POTS you're looking at nearly $30/mo just for dialtone, with everything else (outbound calls, LD, caller ID...) extra. Now there is some added value in real POTS, but it's awfully hard to justify the cost difference.
-- Jameel Akari
Current thread:
- OT: What vexes VoIP users? Eric Brunner-Williams (Feb 28)
- RE: What vexes VoIP users? Nathan Eisenberg (Feb 28)
- RE: What vexes VoIP users? nanog (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Leigh Porter (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Bret Clark (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Leigh Porter (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Jameel Akari (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Leigh Porter (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Joe Greco (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? David Barak (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Joe Greco (Feb 28)
- Re: [v6z] Re: What vexes VoIP users? Scott Howard (Feb 28)
- RE: What vexes VoIP users? nanog (Feb 28)
- RE: What vexes VoIP users? Nathan Eisenberg (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Bret Palsson (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Owen DeLong (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Bret Palsson (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Bret Palsson (Feb 28)
- Re: What vexes VoIP users? Jared Mauch (Feb 28)