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RE: OSPF vs IS-IS
From: "Doug Marschke" <doug () proteus net>
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:22:55 -0700
I know we are just talking about the core, but out of curiosity will you have any MPLS/BGP VPNS that you may want to run the IGP over. In this case, OSPF may make a little more sense. However if you are really just talking the core, I would agree with the rest of the list, as the decoupling of IP has some advantages and does the TLV structure. Doug Marschke Chief Operating Officer JNCIE-ER #3, JNCIE-M #41, JNCI (415) 704-5005 (office) (415) 902-5702 (cell) (415)-358-4059 (fax) www.proteus.net -----Original Message----- From: CJ [mailto:cjinfantino () gmail com] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 5:24 AM To: jim deleskie Cc: nanog () nanog org; Jeffrey S. Young Subject: Re: OSPF vs IS-IS You guys are making a lot of good points. I will check into the Doyle book to formulate an opinion. So, I am completely new to the SP environment and OSPF is what I have learned because I have ever only had experience in the enterprise. It seems that from this discussion, IS-IS is still a real, very viable option. So, IS-IS being preferred...realistically, what is the learning curve? CJ On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:57 AM, jim deleskie <deleskie () gmail com> wrote:
If a network is big enough big / complex enough that you really need to worry about performance of mesh groups or tweaking areas then its big enough that having a noc eng page you out at 2am when there is an issue doesn't really scale. I'm all for ISIS, if I was to build a network from scratch I'd likely default to it. I'm just say, new features or performance aside the knowledge of your team under you will have much more impact on how your network runs then probably any other factor. I've seen this time and time again when 'new tech' has been introduced into networks, from vendors to protocols. Most every time with engineers saying we have smart people they will learn it / adjust. Almost every case of that turned into 6 mts of crap for both ops and eng while the ops guys became clueful in the new tech, but as a friend frequently says Your network, your choice. -jim On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Jeffrey S. Young <young () jsyoung net> wrote:On 12/08/2011, at 12:08 AM, CJ <cjinfantino () gmail com> wrote:Awesome, I was thinking the same thing. Most experience is OSPF so itonlymakes sense. That is a good tip about OSPFv3 too. I will have to look more deeplyintoOSPFv3. Thanks, -CJ On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:34 AM, jim deleskie <deleskie () gmail com>wrote:Having run both on some good sized networks, I can tell you to run what your ops folks know best. We can debate all day the technical merits of one v another, but end of day, it always comes down to your most jr ops eng having to make a change at 2 am, you need to design for this case, if your using OSPF today and they know OSPF I'd say stick with it to reduce the chance of things blowing up at 2am when someone tries to 'fix' something else. -jim On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:29 AM, William Cooper <wcooper02 () gmail com> wrote:I'm totally in concurrence with Stephan's point. Couple of things to consider: a) deciding to migrate to either ISIS
or
OSPFv3 from another protocol is still migrating to a new protocol and b) even in the case of migrating to OSPFv3, there are fairly significant changes in behavior from OSPFv2 to be aware of (most notably authentication, but that's fodder for another conversation). -TonyThis topic is a 'once a month' on NANOG, I'm sure we could check the archives for some point-in-time research but I'm curious to learn if anyone maintains statistics? It would be interesting to see statistics on how many service providersruneither protocol. IS-IS has, for some years, been the de facto choice
for
SP'sand as a result the vendor and standardisation community 'used to'developSP features more often for IS-IS. IS-IS was, therefore, more 'mature'than OSPFfor SP's. I wonder if this is still the case? For me, designing an IGP with IS-IS is much easier than it is with OSPF. Mesh groups are far easier to plan (more straightforward) easier tochangethan OSPF areas. As for junior noc staff touching much of anything to
do
with an ISP's IGP at 2am, wake me up instead. jy
-- CJ http://convergingontheedge.com <http://www.convergingontheedge.com>
Current thread:
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS, (continued)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS CJ (Aug 12)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS James Jones (Aug 12)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Stefan Fouant (Aug 12)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Jeffrey S. Young (Aug 13)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Randy Bush (Aug 13)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Jeffrey S. Young (Aug 13)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Saku Ytti (Aug 13)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Tom Hill (Aug 12)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Scott Morris (Aug 12)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Scott Morris (Aug 12)
- RE: OSPF vs IS-IS Doug Marschke (Aug 16)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Jeff Wheeler (Aug 12)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Douglas Otis (Aug 12)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Stefan Fouant (Aug 11)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Jimmy Hess (Aug 11)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Stefan Fouant (Aug 11)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Vinny Abello (Aug 13)
- Re: OSPF vs IS-IS Matt Addison (Aug 13)