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Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:36:48 -0800
On Feb 20, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
At least the US has a written constitution and the concept of the people being sovereign.and a room im sf where at&t hands all their internet and voice to the nsa. right. and the list is long. internet and voie traffic are no longer private in the least sense. and cisco builds taps into all the devices. it goes on and on.
Voice over IP over IPSEC is still relatively private. Internet over IPSEC or bi-directional keyed (auth+enc) SSL is still relatively private. Anything else never really was, even if it wasn't the government listening to you before. Agreed about the gov't throwing the constitution out the window, however. Owen
Current thread:
- "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN andrew.wallace (Feb 19)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Randy Bush (Feb 19)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN andrew.wallace (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Randy Bush (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN andrew.wallace (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Rodney Joffe (Feb 20)
- RE: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Tomas L. Byrnes (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN John Peach (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Randy Bush (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Owen DeLong (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Cian Brennan (Feb 21)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN andrew.wallace (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Randy Bush (Feb 19)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Michael Painter (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN andrew.wallace (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Randy Bush (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Barry Shein (Feb 20)
- RE: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Brandon Kim (Feb 20)
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN Jorge Amodio (Feb 20)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- Re: "Cyber Shockwave" on CNN charles (Feb 20)