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Re: Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation
From: Jon Lewis <jlewis () lewis org>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:19:40 -0400 (EDT)
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, John Curran wrote:
I'm sure there's an excellent reason why these addresses stay blocked, but am unable to fathom what exactly that is... Could some folks from the appropriate networks explain why this is such a problem and/or suggest additional steps that ARIN or the receipts should be taking to avoid this situation?
Most small to midsize networks probably have a "block it and forget it" policy. The facts that the spammer moved on, the IPs eventually got returned to the RIR and reallocated to a different network go unnoticed until the new LIR/ISP notifies those blocking the addresses that the addresses have changed hands. Ideally, the network doing the blocking will know when they started blocking an IP, look at whois, and agree that the block no longer makes sense. I'm sure some will have no idea when or why they started blocking an IP, and might be reluctant to unblock it. This assumes you can actually get in touch with someone with the access and understanding of the issues to have a conversation about their blocking. Some networks make that nearly impossible. I ran into such situations early on when trying to contact networks about their outdated bogon filters when Atlantic.net got a slice of 69/8.
This blocking (or variations of it) has been a problem for about a decade. http://www.michnet.net/mail.archives/nanog/2001-08/msg00448.htmlI don't think there is any blanket solution to this issue. Too many of the networks doing the blocking likely don't participate in any forum where the RIRs will be reach people who care and can do something.
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