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Re: IPv6 Confusion
From: David Conrad <drc () virtualized org>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:18:33 -1000
On Feb 17, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
In otherwords ISP's need to enter the 21st century.
Yeah, those stupid, lazy, ISPs. I'm sure they're just sitting around every day, kicking back, eating Bon Bons(tm), and thinking of all the new and interesting ways they can burn the vast tracts of ill-gotten profits they're obviously rolling in.
Reality check: change in large scale production networks is hard and expensive. There needs to be a business case to justify making substantive changes. You are arguing that ISPs should make changes without any obvious mechanism to guarantee some return on the investment necessary to pay for those changes. This is a waste of time.
In general, NAT is paid for by the end user, not the network provider. Migrating to IPv6 on the other hand is paid for entirely by the network provider. Guess which is easier to make a business case for?
Note that I'm not saying I like the current state of affairs, rather I'm suggesting that jumping up and down demanding ISPs change because you think they're stuck in the last century is unlikely to get you very far. You want a concrete suggestion? Make configuring DDNS on BIND _vastly_ simpler, scalable to tens or hundreds of thousands of clients, and manageable by your average NOC staff.
Regards, -drc
Current thread:
- Re: IPv6 Confusion, (continued)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion David Conrad (Feb 18)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Randy Bush (Feb 18)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Nick Hilliard (Feb 19)
- RE: IPv6 Confusion Tony Hain (Feb 19)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Mark Andrews (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Mark Andrews (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Leen Besselink (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion David Conrad (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Mark Andrews (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion David Conrad (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Zaid Ali (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Randy Bush (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Mark Andrews (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Nathan Ward (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Joe Provo (Feb 17)
- RE: IPv6 Confusion Tony Hain (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Randy Bush (Feb 17)
- RE: IPv6 Confusion Steven Lisson (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Randy Bush (Feb 17)
- Re: IPv6 Confusion Brandon Galbraith (Feb 17)