Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

[Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc () internode com au>]

Hmm,
Apologies for that - wasn't meant to goto the list.   Was a bit "frank".

MMC

On 05/02/2009, at 2:59 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> I don't think anyone really has done it large scale properly.
>
> I've had basically nothing from anyone.
>
> Given my knowledge of where most large BRAS/Cable vendors are upto -  
> I don't think anyone could have.  (Cisco won't have high end v6  
> pppoe support until late this year!).
>
> There's a lot of people who clearly don't work for ISPs yammering on  
> about the Zen of v6, but no one with real experience.
>
> Scary huh?   I'm meant to have 250,000 customers running it by  
> Christmas!
>
> MMC
>
> On 05/02/2009, at 2:44 PM, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:
>
> >         Hello Matthew ,  See way below ...
> >
> > On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
> > > Scott Howard wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick () ianai net 
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc () internode com au 
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > but my point was that people are starting to assume that v6 WILL  
> > > > > mean
> > > > > static allocations for all customers.
> > > > By design IPv6 should mean _less_ static allocations than IPv4 -  
> > > > in the
> > > > event that a client disconnects/reconnects and gets a new /64  
> > > > then their
> > > > network *should* automatically handle that fact, with all clients
> > > > automagically renumbering themselves to the new /64, updating  
> > > > DNS, etc.
> > > > Local communications won't be impacted as they should be using the
> > > > link-local address.
> > > _should_
> > >
> > > As I asked before - I'm really keen to actually do this stuff -  
> > > but all I get is people who haven't done it telling me theory and  
> > > not how it works in practise in a real ISP of some scale. Telling  
> > > customers "well, you might get renumbered randomly" isn't going to  
> > > work, no matter what the theory about it all is.  They do crazy  
> > > and unexpected things and bleat about it even if you told them not  
> > > to.  At worse they stop paying you and leave!
> > >
> > > My hope is that PD will be used for the majority and statics will  
> > > be small in number.  My FEAR is that customers have already been  
> > > conditioned that v6 will mean statics for everyone because v6 has  
> > > so many! (This has already been the assumption many have made from  
> > > the customer side).
> > > > The bit that isn't clear at the moment is if (and how well) that  
> > > > will
> > > > actually work in practice.  And that brings us back to the good  
> > > > old catch-22
> > > > of ISPs not supporting IPv6 because consumer CPE doesn't support  
> > > > it, and CPE
> > > > not supporting it because ISP don't...
> > > Tell me about it. As I asked before - has ANYONE done this  
> > > before?   ie.  fully dualstacked to customers?  Or is it still  
> > > theory?
> >
> > 	Has Anyone responded to you on/off list with even a close  
> > approximation of showing they have accomplished what you've  
> > requested ?
> > 	I am beginning to be worried that no one [has|is willing to  
> > divulge] that they have accomplished this .  One would think that  
> > someone would at least pipe up just for the bragging factor .
> >
> >                 Twyl ,  JimL
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