Re: v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

["Mr. James W. Laferriere" <babydr () baby-dragons com>]

        Hello Matthew ,  See way below ...

On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
> Scott Howard wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore 
> > <patrick () ianai net>wrote:
> >
> >   On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft 
> > <mmc () internode com au>wrote:
> >
> >
> > > but my point was that people are starting to assume that v6 WILL mean
> > > static allocations for all customers.
> >
> >
> > By design IPv6 should mean _less_ static allocations than IPv4 - in the
> > event that a client disconnects/reconnects and gets a new /64 then their
> > network *should* automatically handle that fact, with all clients
> > automagically renumbering themselves to the new /64, updating DNS, etc.
> > Local communications won't be impacted as they should be using the
> > link-local address.
> _should_
>
> As I asked before - I'm really keen to actually do this stuff - but all I get 
> is people who haven't done it telling me theory and not how it works in 
> practise in a real ISP of some scale. 
> Telling customers "well, you might get renumbered randomly" isn't going to 
> work, no matter what the theory about it all is.  They do crazy and 
> unexpected things and bleat about it even if you told them not to.  At worse 
> they stop paying you and leave!
>
> My hope is that PD will be used for the majority and statics will be small in 
> number.  My FEAR is that customers have already been conditioned that v6 will 
> mean statics for everyone because v6 has so many! (This has already been the 
> assumption many have made from the customer side).
> > The bit that isn't clear at the moment is if (and how well) that will
> > actually work in practice.  And that brings us back to the good old 
> > catch-22
> > of ISPs not supporting IPv6 because consumer CPE doesn't support it, and 
> > CPE
> > not supporting it because ISP don't...
> Tell me about it. 
> As I asked before - has ANYONE done this before?   ie.  fully dualstacked to 
> customers?  Or is it still theory?

	Has Anyone responded to you on/off list with even a close approximation 
of showing they have accomplished what you've requested ?
	I am beginning to be worried that no one [has|is willing to divulge] 
that they have accomplished this .  One would think that someone would at least 
pipe up just for the bragging factor .

                Twyl ,  JimL
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