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Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.
From: Mark Newton <newton () internode com au>
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:39:37 +1030
On 12/12/2009, at 12:11 AM, Simon Perreault wrote:
We have thus come to the conclusion that there shouldn't be a NAT-like firewall in IPv6 home routers.
Eh? What does NAT have to do with anything? We already know that IPv6 residential firewalls won't do NAT, so why bring it into this discussion at all? Some of us are trying to formulate and offer real-life IPv6 services to our marketplaces before IPv4 runs out, and the vendors simply aren't interested in being there to help us out. Pointless distractions about orthogonal issues that don't matter (e.g., NAT) don't help at all. FWIW, I asked Fred Baker about this at the IPv6 Forum meeting in Australia this week. He'd just handled another question about the memory requirements required for burgeoning routing table growth by saying that if routers need extra RAM then routers with extra RAM will appear on the market, because "if you're prepared to pay money for it, we'll try to sell it to you." So I asked, "I'm prepared to pay money for IPv6-capable ADSL2+ CPE. Are you prepared to sell it to me?" and he said, "Yes, just not with our firmware." Which I thought was a bit of a cop-out, given that it was one of our customers who developed the IPv6 openwrt support in the first place, with zero support from Fred's employer, after we'd spent two years hassling them about their lack of action. ... and this is in the same week when, in the context of IPv6, someone else asked me how many units of their gear we'd ship ("Zero. You don't have a product with the features we need so we'll use one of your competitors instead. Lets revisit this when you're prepared to have a conversation that doesn't include `lack of market demand' as a reason for not doing it.") Argh. Disillusionment, much? - mark -- Mark Newton Email: newton () internode com au (W) Network Engineer Email: newton () atdot dotat org (H) Internode Pty Ltd Desk: +61-8-82282999 "Network Man" - Anagram of "Mark Newton" Mobile: +61-416-202-223
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- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls., (continued)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Chris Adams (Dec 10)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Mark Newton (Dec 11)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Simon Perreault (Dec 11)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 11)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Simon Perreault (Dec 11)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Mark Newton (Dec 11)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Simon Perreault (Dec 12)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Joe Greco (Dec 11)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Simon Perreault (Dec 11)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 11)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Mark Newton (Dec 11)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Chris Adams (Dec 11)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Joe Greco (Dec 11)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Joel Jaeggli (Dec 13)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Michael Loftis (Dec 13)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Owen DeLong (Dec 14)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Owen DeLong (Dec 14)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. gordon b slater (Dec 14)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Chris Adams (Dec 14)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Mohacsi Janos (Dec 14)
- Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls. Joel Jaeggli (Dec 14)