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Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal
From: fred () cisco com
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:39:53 -0800 (PST)
I dunno. I think I have a pretty good guess of who 192.159.10.227 is, or at least who it was as of 14:35 -0800 today.
Well, let me ask you you think 171.70.120.60 is. I'll give you a hint; at this instant, there are 72 of us. Here's another question. Whom would you suspect 171.71.241.89 is? At this point in time, I am in Barcelona; if I were home, that would be my address as you would see it, but my address as I would see it would be in 10.32.244.216/29. There might be several hundred people you would see using 171.71.241.89; One of the big issues with the Tsinghua SAVA proposal in the IETF is specifically the confusion of the application layer with the IP layer. They propose to embed personal identity into the IP address, and in that there are a number of issues. Internet Address != application layer identification. What we can do with IP addresses is conclude that the user of the machine with an address is likely to be one of its usual users. We can't say that with 100% certainty, because there are any number of ways people can get "unusual" access. But even so, if one can show a pattern of usage, the usual suspects can probably figure out which of them, or what other "unusual" user, might have done this or that. That is the model forensic analysts follow. And the address is personal information to the extent that it limits the set of usual suspects to a set that includes you or I.
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- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal, (continued)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Scott Francis (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Robin Stevens (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal J. Oquendo (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Owen DeLong (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Joel Jaeggli (Jan 24)
- The EU's and Google's official positions (was: EU Official: IP Is Personal) michael.dillon (Jan 25)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Roland Perry (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Joe Greco (Jan 23)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Owen DeLong (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 24)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Hank Nussbacher (Jan 25)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Matt Palmer (Jan 25)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Roland Perry (Jan 25)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Andy Davidson (Jan 25)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Roland Perry (Jan 25)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Stephane Bortzmeyer (Jan 25)
- Re: EU Official: IP Is Personal Owen DeLong (Jan 25)