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Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT)
From: Jeremy Chadwick <nanog () jdc parodius com>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:44:28 -0700
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:49:36AM -0400, Donald Stahl wrote:
We call our level 1 NOC people "Operators." We reserve Network Analyst for the level 2 people who also do some small amount of scripting and other more advanced troubleshooting. Network Analyst makes me think of Stock Analysts, though. The problem is that they aren't very good at telling me what kind of returns I can expect on my equipment and what the future holds for the network :) Has anyone thought to clearly define these titles somewhere so that everyone can standardize on them?
Because each NOC is different, depending upon what hiring practises are deployed by the company populating aforementioned NOC. Here's two NOCs for you (yes, both are real): 1) Expected to have above-average UNIX skills, above-average exposure to DNS (understanding SOAs, must have familiarity with dig, etc.), familiarity with HTTP (manual fetches/form queries, etc.), SSH and related aspects (tunnels, keys, etc.), decent networking troubleshooting skills (more than just exposure to ping, exposure to BGP is good, knowledge of the OSI layer is highly respected, etc.). Of course the standard crap also applies: extensive ticket work, answering phone calls + dealing with clients, escalation procedures, 24x7 operations (e.g. graveyard guys getting little sleep), etc.. NOC employees have root and enable on systems and networking devices, and are encouraged to use them to track -- and solve -- issues if they feel comfortable/know how (otherwise escalate/check with someone else). Hiring practises also require personable people (read: no ego, are willing to teach others), and do not hire people who tote themselves as superior or "too proud to work in a NOC". 2) Anyone with the least bit of any IT experience at all ("I know how to install Windows Server and plug in PCI cards, is that OK?") is hired. Don't know anything about UNIX? No problem, here's some documentation you can read that'll teach you. Don't know how TCP/IP works? That's fine, it's not part of the job, just escalate according to this procedure. If the individual has extensive experience(s), great, hire them. If they have very few skills but have more than none, hire them. NOC employees do not have root/enable; all issues are escalated. Management adheres to "Rules must be followed" "Do not try to be different" "We like robots" ideals. NOC #2 is what most people think of, and that's understandable, because there's a lot of NOCs which are completely chaotic and borderline useless (read: getting in the way of engineers solving problems more so than helping them solve the problem). My point is, people working in NOC #1 would be generally disappointed to have to put "NOC Analyst" on their business card when most of their time was spent doing SA or NA-related things. NOC #2 individuals probably won't care (the skilled ones might care, but might not make a big deal about it, because maybe they're just happy that they have a job at all.) So, my recommendation to the OP would be to pick titles appropriate to the individuals' skill set. The term "NOCster" or "NOCling" or other such terms are *not* terms of endearment -- they're borderline insulting, unless your NOC is like #2, which in that case you might as well just put down "Emotionless Robot", because that's eventually how people become in those environments. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB |
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- Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Jay Hennigan (Mar 14)
- Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Jeff Kell (Mar 14)
- Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Gadi Evron (Mar 14)
- Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) chuck goolsbee (Mar 14)
- RE: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Michael K. Smith - Adhost (Mar 15)
- RE: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Justin M. Streiner (Mar 15)
- Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Pete Templin (Mar 15)
- RE: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Gadi Evron (Mar 15)
- RE: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Donald Stahl (Mar 15)
- Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Joseph S D Yao (Mar 15)
- Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Jeremy Chadwick (Mar 15)
- Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Donald Stahl (Mar 15)
- Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Randy Bush (Mar 15)
- Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) William Yardley (Mar 15)
- Re: NOC Personel Question (Possibly OT) Stephen Satchell (Mar 15)
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